On 14/08/2014 17:53, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> On 14/08/2014 16:56, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJ7-JRdrHM
>
> Nice.
>
> Missing in simulation: momentum on wheels (the front wheels are turned
> with so much speed it gives it away as fake).
>

Eh! Also the driver. :-P

It is really good, Jamie.

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Very good. A driver is needed inside the car ;-)

Thomas

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El 15/08/14 a las #4, Thomas de Groot escribió:
> Very good. A driver is needed inside the car ;-)
>

   Maybe if someone can provide an already posed mesh... ;)

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On 15/08/2014 09:02, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> El 15/08/14 a las #4, Thomas de Groot escribió:
>> Very good. A driver is needed inside the car ;-)
>>
>
>    Maybe if someone can provide an already posed mesh... ;)
>

Maybe if someone can provide the car to pose the driver in. ;-)

Seriously, when I've put Poser models into scenes. I've needed to create 
things like the seat and driving wheel in Poser or imported them as 
meshes to use as guides for the figure.
I would think that a couple of Poser figures would be required. One for 
driving forward, turning left and right with a couple of intermediate 
positions.

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El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
> On 15/08/2014 09:02, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>> El 15/08/14 a las #4, Thomas de Groot escribió:
>>> Very good. A driver is needed inside the car ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Maybe if someone can provide an already posed mesh... ;)
>>
>
> Maybe if someone can provide the car to pose the driver in. ;-)
>

   René kindly sent me the Wings3D file, but oddly it doesn't seems
complete: the wheel is missing. Fortunately, Poseray can import POV
meshes, so I just made a 3DS file from there:

http://www.ignorancia.org/en/uploads/tmp/micra_inner.3ds


> I would think that a couple of Poser figures would be required. One
> for driving forward, turning left and right with a couple of
> intermediate positions.

   Yes, and it would be nice to have another one for going backwards...
the typical pose of looking back with the right arm posed over the
co-driver seat. :)  ... but for the moment, a single "driving forward"
position will be enough.

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On 15/08/2014 09:51, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:

>
>    René kindly sent me the Wings3D file, but oddly it doesn't seems
> complete: the wheel is missing. Fortunately, Poseray can import POV
> meshes, so I just made a 3DS file from there:
>
> http://www.ignorancia.org/en/uploads/tmp/micra_inner.3ds
>
>

Thanks, I got that and it looks just the thing. :-D

Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God 
intended. :-P )

>> I would think that a couple of Poser figures would be required. One
>> for driving forward, turning left and right with a couple of
>> intermediate positions.
>
>    Yes, and it would be nice to have another one for going backwards...
> the typical pose of looking back with the right arm posed over the
> co-driver seat. :)  ... but for the moment, a single "driving forward"
> position will be enough.
>

Simple one first then. :-)

I'll probably create an animation so that there will be several meshes 
to choose from. I'll use the smallest acceptable mesh so no close ups, 
please. ;-)

Can be changed later, if required.

Any preference to gender?
I've got a Poser cat or a skellington that might be interesting.


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     Stephen

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El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
> Thanks, I got that and it looks just the thing. :-D
>
> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God
> intended. :-P )

   Yes, but only because of the conversion... I guess René, being French,
designed it as Satan intended. :)

   Fortunately, in POV-Ray, the difference between good and evil is
simply "scale <1,1,-1>".

> I'll probably create an animation so that there will be several
> meshes to choose from. I'll use the smallest acceptable mesh so no
> close ups, please. ;-)

   Yes, no close ups: almost a low-poly will do... also, the glass is
tinted, and the sun position is going to be high enough to keep it in
the shadow.

> Any preference to gender?

   Not really, but maybe a man is more suited to keep the triangle count
small, as you can make it bald without remorse.

> I've got a Poser cat or a skellington that might be interesting.

   Make it human for the moment, please... :)

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On 15/08/2014 10:50, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
>> Thanks, I got that and it looks just the thing. :-D
>>
>> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God
>> intended. :-P )
>
>    Yes, but only because of the conversion... I guess René, being French,
> designed it as Satan intended. :)
>

Not Satan but Napoleon.

>    Fortunately, in POV-Ray, the difference between good and evil is
> simply "scale <1,1,-1>".
>

How simple! If only RL were like that.


>> I'll probably create an animation so that there will be several
>> meshes to choose from. I'll use the smallest acceptable mesh so no
>> close ups, please. ;-)
>
>    Yes, no close ups: almost a low-poly will do... also, the glass is
> tinted, and the sun position is going to be high enough to keep it in
> the shadow.
>
>> Any preference to gender?
>
>    Not really, but maybe a man is more suited to keep the triangle count
> small, as you can make it bald without remorse.
>

Posted both in p.b.misc

>> I've got a Poser cat or a skellington that might be interesting.
>
>    Make it human for the moment, please... :)
>
Shucks! I want to do a green Alien lizard from outer space, driving the car.


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     Stephen

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Am 15.08.2014 11:14, schrieb Stephen:
> On 15/08/2014 09:51, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>
>>
>>    René kindly sent me the Wings3D file, but oddly it doesn't seems
>> complete: the wheel is missing. Fortunately, Poseray can import POV
>> meshes, so I just made a 3DS file from there:
>>
>> http://www.ignorancia.org/en/uploads/tmp/micra_inner.3ds
>>
>>
>
> Thanks, I got that and it looks just the thing. :-D
>
> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God
> intended. :-P )

Well, there /is/ some practical reason why driving on the right lane is 
more natural. You see, most people are right handed, and will also have 
a dominant right leg, i.e. their right leg is stronger. It is therefore 
easier and more natural for most humans to walk a counter-clockwise 
circle than a clockwise one. So from a psychological point of view, to 
an otherwise unbiased person it will come more natural to make U-turns 
to the left rather than to the right.

(In a similar vein, shifting gears with the right hand is probably 
easier as well.)

It also expresses a more friendly attitude: When moving around as a 
pedestrian, passing oncoming people to the right exposes your heart side 
to them, which shows some degree of trust. That same pattern 
extrapolated to vehicle traffic means that in general we continental 
Europeans are the friendlier lot.

:-)

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On 15/08/2014 12:32, clipka wrote:
> Am 15.08.2014 11:14, schrieb Stephen:

>> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God
>> intended. :-P )
>
> Well, there /is/ some practical reason why driving on the right lane is
> more natural.

Did the Supernatural Being of your choice tell you that? :-P

> You see, most people are right handed, and will also have
> a dominant right leg, i.e. their right leg is stronger. It is therefore
> easier and more natural for most humans to walk a counter-clockwise
> circle than a clockwise one.

Not so from what I've read.

http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/08/why-we-walk-circles
http://sciencenetlinks.com/science-news/science-updates/walking-in-circles/


> So from a psychological point of view, to
> an otherwise unbiased person it will come more natural to make U-turns
> to the left rather than to the right.
>

:-O

> (In a similar vein, shifting gears with the right hand is probably
> easier as well.)
>

In my experience it is not. In fact I find shifting gears with my right 
hand is more clunky as it is stronger. *
I have lived and driven in countries ** that drive on the left and in 
ones that drive on the right. The only difference for me is that I tend 
to drift the wrong way if I am not thinking. In Britain I drift to the 
left abroad I drift to the right. Probably because I learned to drive on 
a motorbike and I keep to the kerb side.


> It also expresses a more friendly attitude: When moving around as a
> pedestrian, passing oncoming people to the right exposes your heart side
> to them, which shows some degree of trust. That same pattern
> extrapolated to vehicle traffic means that in general we continental
> Europeans are the friendlier lot.
>
> :-)
>

Yeah history shows that to be true. ;-)

* The one time I tried teaching my wife to drive. I suggested that she 
steer and I would do the gear changes. I actually snapped the stick off 
at the base (it was an old car) with my right hand then I had to drive 
home myself in second gear.

** Having said that. It may be just me. I am not ambidextrous but I use 
my left hand a lot and will pick something up with it if it is closer to 
my left hand than my right. Dr John was surprised at that but it is 
natural (there is that word again). I can also do mirror writing with my 
right hand.


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     Stephen

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