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"milco2006" <mil### [at] hotmail com> wrote in message
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> Hmm, the mystery deepens. Your idea of contacting admin is not a bad one
> however that last document that you flagged up would infer that might be
> not as easy as you might imagine. Notably though some of us wouldn't mind
> spending a good bit of time just to find out the next topic and see the
> continuation of our beloved competition.
I've offered to help twice now, (once in a previous thread, and now
in this thread). Nobody listens and nobody that's official replies. In fact,
I can't remember when an IRTC official has replied to any post in the five
years that I've known about the IRTC and its groups - ever. (I could be
wrong about that, but seeing as the IRTC admins are invisible, I wouldn't
know).
When I say that I would like to help with the IRTC *topic*, I mean that
I would want to make sure that the topic is updated on time so that everyone
can get on with the next round if they want to - stills or anims. You know,
take some pressure off the guys that do all the downloading/uploading of
stills and anims, (appreciated from me).
I'm always here, I work from home and run a serious commercial website. My
main computer (this one) never goes down, and even if it did, I have two
others spare that are working just fine.
It only needs someone, (admin), to tell me the right way to do it,
(which I can handle), and it's a done deal.
Let's face it, the first topic of this year isn't going to happen this
time around, (not properly anyway) and if it does, everyone has FIVE (or
less) weeks to complete their offering now. From my experience, that isn't
long enough.
My 'offer' is still valid.
(BTW, welcome Malcolm, enjoy the rest of the PoV groups (everything else
works just fine). :o)
~Steve~
> ~Malcolm
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I followed the link above and read all the posts. It seems that the guy
responsible (admin) is more or less cut off from the outside world!!! At
least in November he was. This is a very strange situation. How can anyone
update the server without an proper access to the internet???
temporarily) delegated to somebody else who has better access.
At the same time they say they are working on a better code to make the
To the admins: let it be clear: we are grateful and appreciate all the work
you are putting into the IRTC in your own free time. All we need right now
is a new topic. Some delays regarding voting and announcement of winners
As it is now, we have 39 days left of this round, which is perhaps enough
time to make some stunning art, but further delays would make it impossible
for some people. Some people work faster, some have more free time. Others,
who otherwise would have entered, will have to skip this one, which is too
bad.
This competition has always been about anyone being able to participate,
regardless of skills or experience. I see the whole thing as a huge
technology and ideas all at the same time.
This is the place where new artist are born, supported by the whole
community, having the freedom to express themselves as they please, and
getting individual feedback which is invaluable. The sharing of ideas, of
code, of technique, of artistic expression. No commercial interest
whatsoever makes the whole experience even greater, people having the
freedom to choose their combination of tools at their own discretion and
ability.
This is pretty unique if you ask me and adds to the variety and creativity.
So if anyone is having doubts about the IRTC, about it being an old
have changed in the last 10 years, software has improved and more people
are playing with raytracing than before. If the above mentioned technical
competition than ever before.
Personally I would like to see the IRTC grow and become bigger and stronger,
still having this unique flavor of freedom.
Hildur.
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I am in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed by Hildur.
(Repeated below) By far the best outcome would be for the IRTC to continue
and be revitalized. I would like to add my name to the list of persons
repeating an offer to help. I fear, however, that it may be time for those
of us who feel this way to begin thinking about and discussing what we might
do as an alternative if our wishes regarding the IRTC do not come true. Any
project that would pick up where the IRTC would leave off would need to get
off to a quick start lest the community available to support it begin to
dissipate. Does ANYONE here know how to contact the IRTC Admins for their
input? The LAST thing that I would want to do is to undermine the IRTC by
with an alternative forum, but I do believe the time has come when we need
to do something more than just waiting around and hoping for the best. I
look forward to hearing what others think about this.
Best Wishes to All,
Mike C.
"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:
> ... This is the place where new artist are born, supported by the whole
> community, having the freedom to express themselves as they please, and
> getting individual feedback which is invaluable. The sharing of ideas, of
> code, of technique, of artistic expression. No commercial interest
> whatsoever makes the whole experience even greater, people having the
> freedom to choose their combination of tools at their own discretion and
> ability.
> This is pretty unique if you ask me and adds to the variety and creativity.
>
> So if anyone is having doubts about the IRTC, about it being an old
> have changed in the last 10 years, software has improved and more people
> are playing with raytracing than before. If the above mentioned technical
> competition than ever before.
>
> Personally I would like to see the IRTC grow and become bigger and stronger,
> still having this unique flavor of freedom.
>
> Hildur.
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Mike the Elder wrote:
> I am in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed by Hildur.
> (Repeated below) By far the best outcome would be for the IRTC to continue
> and be revitalized. I would like to add my name to the list of persons
> repeating an offer to help. I fear, however, that it may be time for those
> of us who feel this way to begin thinking about and discussing what we might
> do as an alternative if our wishes regarding the IRTC do not come true. Any
> project that would pick up where the IRTC would leave off would need to get
> off to a quick start lest the community available to support it begin to
> dissipate. Does ANYONE here know how to contact the IRTC Admins for their
> input? The LAST thing that I would want to do is to undermine the IRTC by
> with an alternative forum, but I do believe the time has come when we need
> to do something more than just waiting around and hoping for the best. I
> look forward to hearing what others think about this.
From what i dug out of list archives, and NIC entries, the
IRTC is hosted on, and most likely also from a logistic
point of view a part of, the POVray main server. Maybe
there's someone "a level higher" in the hierarchy able to
answer to our concerns?
-Markus
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Markus Altendorff <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote:
> From what i dug out of list archives, and NIC entries, the
> IRTC is hosted on, and most likely also from a logistic
> point of view a part of, the POVray main server. Maybe
> there's someone "a level higher" in the hierarchy able to
> answer to our concerns?
>
> -Markus
Your right. The Pov people should be interested in keeping the IRTC running
as this encourages people to use Povray.
Anyway, this is the contact they offer on the IRTC page
http://www.irtc.org/email.html
Hildur
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Hildur K. wrote:
> Anyway, this is the contact they offer on the IRTC page
>
> http://www.irtc.org/email.html
Yes, i sent a mail asking them to please replace my
uploaded-and-in-waiting animation, last tuesday. Haven't
heard back from them yet.
-Markus
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Just wondering: Do the admins read the newsgroups? Should
those things also be mentioned on the mailing lists?
-Markus
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Hi all.
It's been years since I posted something in this newsgroup, but the
situation is a chaos as I see it.
I don't remember exactly how many years I've been following the IRTC, I
believe they are 10 or so, sometimes like a participant, always as a 3D
fan.
IRTC was to me the better place for learning, working and sharing ideas,
techniques and friendship.
The problem you are talking about, delays, seems like no one at charge,
strange explanations, happened some years ago, but people is always polite,
and povers more than anyone.
Sometimes I've tried to push me to do something and to submit it to the
IRTC, but the way it worked has made me to quit.
Something like to say the new topic the very first day of the round (as
Steve says) would be a big step. Is it difficult? No it's a nonsense. Just
to edit a page and upload it.
Having to wait more than 20 days always to see the submitted works and to
began the voting process... something is not working here, but not now,
some years ago.
That's one reason why the IRTC is going down, better said it's drowning, and
if the ones who own it don't do anything about it, the only reason I can
think of it's because they don't care.
It's a shame to see what's happening.
Hoping someone will react.
Bye.
Txemi Jendrix
"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think, there is some problems. (It is very deep thinking :) ).
>
>
> There are problems, we all know that. The question remains, what is causing
> these problems? Is is general lack of interest for this competition? I
> there have always been plenty of submissions, just until recently.
>
> All those delays seem to me to be the main reason, why there have been fewer
> is more due to me being overworked, not having time or energy to
> partipicate.
>
>
> I understand there have been some problems with uploading submissions as
> the whole process was supposed to be automatic, no need for human
> intervention.
>
> I expect to have more time now and in the coming months, so I was planning
> to submit this time. But not being able to guess the topic, time passing
>
> I would hate to see the IRTC go. This competition has served me as a strict
> teacher and companion for some years now, not to mention the very good
>
>
> There must be someone else out there who feels the same.
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"Mike the Elder" <zer### [at] wyanorg> wrote in message
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Does ANYONE here know how to contact the IRTC Admins for their
> input?
I've just emailed them now via their official address posted by Hildur.
I hope to get an answer.
~Steve~
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"Txemi Jendrix" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Something like to say the new topic the very first day of the round (as
> Steve says) would be a big step. Is it difficult? No it's a nonsense. Just
> to edit a page and upload it.
> Having to wait more than 20 days always to see the submitted works and to
> began the voting process... something is not working here, but not now,
> some years ago.
> That's one reason why the IRTC is going down, better said it's drowning, and
> if the ones who own it don't do anything about it, the only reason I can
> think of it's because they don't care.
> It's a shame to see what's happening.
> Hoping someone will react.
> Bye.
>
> Txemi Jendrix
again, and again until it becomes a regular habit and finally you drop yout
completely.
submitting about four or five years ago. In the beginning things were fine,
through the older messages in these forums we can probably find out exactly
when.
role as an administrator at this point, or the person in charge got tired
looks like, even though there may well be other explanations.
forum. So we are fumbling in total darkness, all we can ever do is guess,
which is not really helping.
It seems that the admins do sometimes make announcements and answer
concerns.
http://irtc.org/pipermail/irtc-l/
Hildur
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