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From: Hildur K 
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 19 Jan 2007 12:35:00
Message: <web.45b0b9a7dc71f6c42e3296b70@news.povray.org>
> >
> > I think, there is some problems. (It is very deep thinking :) ).


There are problems, we all know that. The question remains, what is causing
these problems? Is is general lack of interest for this competition? I
don´t believe that for a minute. As long as I have been following the IRTC
there have always been plenty of submissions, just until recently.

All those delays seem to me to be the main reason, why there have been fewer
submissins lately.  Even though I haven´t submitted myself for a while, it
is more due to me being overworked, not having time or energy to
partipicate.

I´m still very interested in this competition and almost every day I check
the ftp server too see if a new topic has been announced. Also I´m always
excited to browse the summissins, even though I don´t get to vote.

I understand there have been some problems with uploading submissions as
well. I don´t understand, this used to work smoothly in the past. I thought
the whole process was supposed to be automatic, no need for human
intervention.

I expect to have more time now and in the coming months, so I was planning
to submit this time. But not being able to guess the topic, time passing
quickly, it´s already 19 days into the round and no topic has been
announced, I don´t know if this round is going to happen or not???

I would hate to see the IRTC go. This competition has served me as a strict
teacher and companion for some years now, not to mention the very good
friends I´ve made in the process.

So please please don´t let the IRTC die!!!!

Can´t we just all join our forces and make this work?
There must be someone else out there who feels the same.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 19 Jan 2007 13:59:45
Message: <45b0ced1@news.povray.org>
"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote in message 
news:web.45b0b9a7dc71f6c42e3296b70@news.povray.org...

> Can´t we just all join our forces and make this work?
> There must be someone else out there who feels the same.

    I feel the same. I really don't understand why it's so difficult to put 
a new topic up on the very first day!

    Can someone please let me be in charge of the topic? People wouldn't 
mind so much with the viewing/voting if this was the case.

      ~Steve~


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 19 Jan 2007 15:08:36
Message: <45b0def4@news.povray.org>
I sincerely agree with you, like probably everybody who has participated in 
the IRTC or is just curious to see what POV-Ray addicts are up to. And, like 
you say, it is an excellent school for progress.

Thomas


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From: milco2006
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 20 Jan 2007 17:45:01
Message: <web.45b25461dc71f6c4af38a6540@news.povray.org>
Hey everyone,

I don't get why it is taking so long. Rather dissappointing as the
November-December round was the first time that I have submitted an entry
(despite being a bit of a rushed one!). However I agree with 'Hildur K.' as
I have followed it closely in previous rounds and learnt so much from it
that it has become an invaluable way to learn new stuff. Without it i am
not sure i would ever have got round to learning as much pov ray as i have,
certainly would be stuck for inspiration on what to draw next more often.

I am always in expectation of the next topic so i can get started with some
new ideas. And from now on i will certainly be entering whenever I can come
up with an image on time.

Totally agree that we should join forces. Any ideas how? I definatly feel
the same even as a fairly recent participant in the IRTC history.


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From: Hildur K 
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 20 Jan 2007 18:05:00
Message: <web.45b258ebdc71f6c4505d35150@news.povray.org>
"milco2006" <mil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>
> Totally agree that we should join forces. Any ideas how? I definatly feel
> the same even as a fairly recent participant in the IRTC history.

Welcome milco2006.


Sounds like this is the time to start a "fight for our right to raytrace"
movement :)

I have to admit, even though I´ve followed this competition for several
years now, I haven´t the slightest idea how we can make a difference.
Any ideas anyone???

Hildur


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 20 Jan 2007 18:20:27
Message: <45b25d6b$1@news.povray.org>
Hildur K. wrote:
> "milco2006" <mil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> 
>> Totally agree that we should join forces. Any ideas how? I definatly feel
>> the same even as a fairly recent participant in the IRTC history.
> 
> Welcome milco2006.
> 
> 
> Sounds like this is the time to start a "fight for our right to raytrace"
> movement :)
> 
> I have to admit, even though I´ve followed this competition for several
> years now, I haven´t the slightest idea how we can make a difference.
> Any ideas anyone???


I guess a first step would be to try and contact any admin 
currently available... however, in November, Jesse Becker, 
the current admin-in-charge (for animations only, or 
including stills?), explained that he was almost completely 
cut off from the internet (new house, out of range for DSL, 
no cable, no phone)... (see:
http://irtc.org/pipermail/irtc-l/2006-November/012792.html
)

*sigh*

-Markus


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From: milco2006
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 20 Jan 2007 19:05:00
Message: <web.45b267cddc71f6c4af38a6540@news.povray.org>
Hmm, the mystery deepens. Your idea of contacting admin is not a bad one
however that last document that you flagged up would infer that might be
not as easy as you might imagine. Notably though some of us wouldn't mind
spending a good bit of time just to find out the next topic and see the
continuation of our beloved competition.

~Malcolm


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From: St 
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 20 Jan 2007 20:55:54
Message: <45b281da$1@news.povray.org>
"milco2006" <mil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:web.45b267cddc71f6c4af38a6540@news.povray.org...
> Hmm, the mystery deepens. Your idea of contacting admin is not a bad one
> however that last document that you flagged up would infer that might be
> not as easy as you might imagine. Notably though some of us wouldn't mind
> spending a good bit of time just to find out the next topic and see the
> continuation of our beloved competition.

       I've offered to help twice now, (once in a previous thread, and now 
in this thread). Nobody listens and nobody that's official replies. In fact, 
I can't remember when an IRTC official has replied to any post in the five 
years that I've known about the IRTC and its groups - ever. (I could be 
wrong about that, but seeing as the IRTC admins are invisible, I wouldn't 
know).

     When I say that I would like to help with the IRTC *topic*, I mean that 
I would want to make sure that the topic is updated on time so that everyone 
can get on with the next round if they want to - stills or anims. You know, 
take some pressure off the guys that do all the downloading/uploading of 
stills and anims, (appreciated from me).

  I'm always here, I work from home and run a serious commercial website. My 
main computer (this one) never goes down, and even if it did, I have two 
others spare that are working just fine.

    It only needs someone, (admin), to tell me the right way to do it, 
(which I can handle), and it's a done deal.

     Let's face it, the first topic of this year isn't going to happen this 
time around, (not properly anyway) and if it does, everyone has FIVE (or 
less) weeks to complete their offering now. From my experience, that isn't 
long enough.

    My 'offer' is still valid.

   (BTW, welcome Malcolm, enjoy the rest of the PoV groups (everything else 
works just fine).   :o)

      ~Steve~



> ~Malcolm


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From: Hildur K 
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 21 Jan 2007 11:20:00
Message: <web.45b34be3dc71f6c4505d35150@news.povray.org>
I followed the link above and read all the posts. It seems that the guy
responsible (admin) is more or less cut off from the outside world!!! At
least in November he was. This is a very strange situation. How can anyone
update the server without an proper access to the internet???

What baffles me is the fact that this responsibility hasn´t been (at least
temporarily) delegated to somebody else who has better access.

At the same time they say they are working on a better code to make the
process run more smoothly. It´s just a question of time I guess.

To the admins: let it be clear: we are grateful and appreciate all the work
you are putting into the IRTC in your own free time. All we need right now
is a new topic. Some delays regarding voting and announcement of winners
are less important, they don´t affect our work much.

As it is now, we have 39 days left of this round, which is perhaps enough
time to make some stunning art, but further delays would make it impossible
for some people. Some people work faster, some have more free time. Others,
who otherwise would have entered, will have to skip this one, which is too
bad.

This competition has always been about anyone being able to participate,
regardless of skills or experience. I see the whole thing as a huge
experiment, with lot´s of people individually experimenting with art,
technology and ideas all at the same time.

This is the place where new artist are born, supported by the whole
community, having the freedom to express themselves as they please, and
getting individual feedback which is invaluable. The sharing of ideas, of
code, of technique, of artistic expression. No commercial interest
whatsoever makes the whole experience even greater, people having the
freedom to choose their combination of tools at their own discretion and
ability.
This is pretty unique if you ask me and adds to the variety and creativity.

So if anyone is having doubts about the IRTC, about it being an old
competition which has run it´s course, I have to strongly disagree. Things
have changed in the last 10 years, software has improved and more people
are playing with raytracing than before. If the above mentioned technical
problems are solved, I´m sure we will see more people being drawn to this
competition than ever before.

Personally I would like to see the IRTC grow and become bigger and stronger,
still having this unique flavor of freedom.

Hildur.


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: New topic?
Date: 21 Jan 2007 15:05:00
Message: <web.45b37f97dc71f6c4d27726630@news.povray.org>
I am in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed by Hildur.
(Repeated below) By far the best outcome would be for the IRTC to continue
and be revitalized.  I would like to add my name to the list of persons
repeating an offer to help.  I fear, however, that it may be time for those
of us who feel this way to begin thinking about and discussing what we might
do as an alternative if our wishes regarding the IRTC do not come true.  Any
project that would pick up where the IRTC would leave off would need to get
off to a quick start lest the community available to support it begin to
dissipate.  Does ANYONE here know how to contact the IRTC Admins  for their
input?  The LAST thing that I would want to do is to undermine the IRTC by
with an alternative forum, but I do believe the time has come when we need
to do something more than just waiting around and hoping for the best.  I
look forward to hearing what others think about this.

Best Wishes to All,
Mike C.


"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:

> ... This is the place where new artist are born, supported by the whole
> community, having the freedom to express themselves as they please, and
> getting individual feedback which is invaluable. The sharing of ideas, of
> code, of technique, of artistic expression. No commercial interest
> whatsoever makes the whole experience even greater, people having the
> freedom to choose their combination of tools at their own discretion and
> ability.
> This is pretty unique if you ask me and adds to the variety and creativity.
>
> So if anyone is having doubts about the IRTC, about it being an old
> competition which has run it´s course, I have to strongly disagree. Things
> have changed in the last 10 years, software has improved and more people
> are playing with raytracing than before. If the above mentioned technical
> problems are solved, I´m sure we will see more people being drawn to this
> competition than ever before.
>
> Personally I would like to see the IRTC grow and become bigger and stronger,
> still having this unique flavor of freedom.
>
> Hildur.


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