> Yes, and they're all using bryce & rhino, and the image size is always the
> bryce default.  The no description in file is annoying, if this is an
> assignment it would be nice if the teacher also required them to spend a
> couple of minutes writing a textfile.

Or may be, all fields should obligatory (for both ftp and http submission).

> > Think about it, if that class wasn't there, there would only be about 50
> > participants.

Indeed and being "1st over 80" is much better than being "1st over 40"
But in the same, we should consider that having low quality contestant may
not be good for the competition and the website as it may attract less
viewer (they are lot of other rendering competition), CD's content may drop
in quality.

Tommy

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Maybe have a dual level competition.  Those who have ever made it to the top
10 (or top n or was a winner (and maybe those who received honours)) in any
competition will be graduated to the "winner circle"/"master level"/"god
level" competition...  But then I can see a situation where the lower level
winners may not be that masterful and still win and then get promoted even
though the quality won't match that of the others in the upper level
competition...  But then I guess the upper level guys can vote on the
winners for promotion I suppose.

But then this will probably make the maintainers freak in the amount of
maintenance they'll have to do which will cause even more delays...  Ah,
nevermind.

"tommy" <tom### [at] webkenyacom> wrote in message
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> Indeed and being "1st over 80" is much better than being "1st over 40"
> But in the same, we should consider that having low quality contestant may
> not be good for the competition and the website as it may attract less
> viewer (they are lot of other rendering competition), CD's content may
drop
> in quality.

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"rob" <rob### [at] nmoisnptaemcca> wrote:
 > Maybe have a dual level competition.  Those who have ever made it to 
the top
 > 10 (or top n or was a winner (and maybe those who received honours)) 
in any
 > competition will be graduated to the "winner circle"/"master level"/"god
 > level" competition...

That's a tough call, given that most of us can never hit that level 
consistently. I see only a handful of artists in all of the past rounds 
who could be in the honor roll multiple rounds.  Most of us get our 
kicks if one entry out of several makes the top 10, but then its back 
down to the middle of the heap.

 > But then I can see a situation where the lower level
 > winners may not be that masterful and still win and then get promoted 
even
 > though the quality won't match that of the others in the upper level
 > competition...

Or else the 'Top' level starts to look like the 'regular crowd' without 
the class assignments.

I think the proper response is for all us Povers to get more active. 
Those 20 bryce default entries only dominate because there aren't 80 Pov 
entries blowing them out of the water.  (Yes, I'm guilty, I permitted 
real life to interfere with my Poving... but I WILL get an entry in this 
round.)

So I'm CHALLENGING all the Povers on this newsgroup... ENTER THIS ROUND! 
I DARE YOU!

Mwaaaa ha ha HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

RG - and because if you don't, you'll have to look at not only a bunch 
of miserable Bryce wannabes, but also a bunch of gorgeous Terragen skies 
with wimpy yellow dunes scattered underneath

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Is it just me, or has the overall quality of IRTC entries dropped 
> significantly in recent months?
> 

It's a generational thing. Stick to POV long enough, as many of the best 
IRTC performers have, and your focus narrows. Just like any other hobby. 
When you buy your first aquarium, you are feel the need to run in and 
explore every Shopping Mall pet store. By the time you realize why a 
perfect Tancho Taisho Sanke costs fifteen thousand dollars, you've all 
but forgotten about neon-tetras (of course, this works just as well the 
other way around).

  -Shay

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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message
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> Mike Raiford wrote:
> > Is it just me, or has the overall quality of IRTC entries dropped
> > significantly in recent months?
> >
>
> It's a generational thing. Stick to POV long enough, as many of the best
> IRTC performers have, and your focus narrows. Just like any other hobby.
> When you buy your first aquarium, you are feel the need to run in and
> explore every Shopping Mall pet store. By the time you realize why a
> perfect Tancho Taisho Sanke costs fifteen thousand dollars, you've all
> but forgotten about neon-tetras (of course, this works just as well the
> other way around).
>
>   -Shay

neon tetras rocked! i always wanted HORDES of them but it was always my
money i was spending and i also wanted baseball and football cards :)
football cards won out.

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Ross wrote:

> neon tetras rocked! i always wanted HORDES of them but it was always my
> money i was spending and i also wanted baseball and football cards :)
> football cards won out.

Ooooh, I feel an image coming on... an aquarium full of neon football 
cards... hmmmm... can that be related somehow to desert?

RG

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gonzo wrote:

> Ooooh, I feel an image coming on... an aquarium full of neon football 
> cards... hmmmm... can that be related somehow to desert?

Fill the aquarium with dry sand?

-- 
~Mike

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"Ralf Schulz" <new### [at] doc-ralfde> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> glad, that you mentioned this. I formerly adored the artwork shown in the
> IRTC. But after a short pause (of five years indeed), it ist obvious to me,
> how far the overall quality dropped.
>
> You're absolutely right.

I wonder if the IRTC is suffering competition from contests that happen on
other boards (e.g. CGTalk).  I really like the IRTC, and it's attention to
free and open source tools, but I think some changes would help.

- More activity on the site.  To a new visitor, the place looks dead,
especially if new topics take forever to show up.  Also, more news and
updates, and some kind of "presence" from a maintainer would help, I think.

- An updated "look".  The site is clean and practical, but it sort of smacks
of the websites of yesteryear, IMHO.  I think an update would help its
image.

I think the first point is the most vital.  I think a greater sense of
community and a higher cohesiveness would be of great benefit.  If there's
any way that I can help this effort, feel free to contact me.

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"Ralf Schulz" <new### [at] doc-ralfde> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> glad, that you mentioned this. I formerly adored the artwork shown in the
> IRTC. But after a short pause (of five years indeed), it ist obvious to me,
> how far the overall quality dropped.
>
> You're absolutely right.

I was just thinking about these issues myself.  A few years ago (when
systems had smaller scale and you had to really tweak polys to render in a
lifetime), there were such ammazing images that blew me away.  Today, while
resolutions, and rendering speed, as well as tools and practice are
supposed to be improving, the quality seems to be on the decrease.  I am
not sure myself why this is going on.

I had a theory all the good talent was moving away to the Alienware
challenges etc, however hardly any pov users are there, so what has
happened?  Maybe the users of povray are on the decrease as a whole?

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Does this mean we can correlate the number of female contenders with the low
quality of the images?

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