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From: H E  Day
Subject: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 12:01:35
Message: <38C291B7.811AADAE@fci.net>
???? Well, is it?  Please!  Help me!

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H.E. Day


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 13:03:19
Message: <chrishuff_99-6C8B01.13045905032000@news.povray.org>
In article <38C291B7.811AADAE@fci.net>, Pov### [at] aolcom wrote:

> ???? Well, is it?  Please!  Help me!

You might get faster results with an isosurface or isoblob in some 
cases. I'm not sure though...I have never done any testing of their 
relative speeds.

Also, make sure "sturm" is off, but that applies to the official version 
as well...

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Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: H  E  Day
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 19:55:50
Message: <01bf8705$ff3346c0$910a3ea6@default>
> You might get faster results with an isosurface or isoblob in some 
> cases. I'm not sure though...I have never done any testing of their 
> relative speeds.
Nope, not any faster.

> Also, make sure "sturm" is off, but that applies to the official version 
> as well...

I mean the basic blob, or the code that makes it. Can you possibly speed
this up?


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:27:45
Message: <chrishuff_99-2605EE.20292505032000@news.povray.org>
In article <01bf8705$ff3346c0$910a3ea6@default>, "H. E. Day" 
<Pov### [at] aolcom> wrote:

> I mean the basic blob, or the code that makes it. Can you possibly speed
> this up?

Hmm, it might be possible to add a third type of solving algorithm which 
works the same way the isosurface code does, but with hard coded 
functions. It would be faster than isosurfaces or isoblobs(I don't know 
how much though), and might be faster than the two current methods. Or 
it might be slower. Actually, I think this is how the isoblob shape got 
started-an enhancement to the blob shape giving it a solving algorithm 
which works like the isosurface's.

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Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 09:37:05
Message: <38c3c290@news.povray.org>
Manual bounding might help a bit.
  I have noticed that the automatic bounding calculates a bounding object
which is a lot larger than the actual shape of the object.
  I have not tested the speed difference, though.

  Btw: Would tesselation of the blob speed up the rendering? Is rendering
a mesh faster than a blob?

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 10:36:25
Message: <qqmput8i006.fsf@schlatt.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
Nieminen Juha <war### [at] sarakerttunencstutfi> writes:
> 
>   Btw: Would tesselation of the blob speed up the rendering? Is rendering
> a mesh faster than a blob?

Why keep people wanting to tessellate everything? I like the fact that
povray has clean and smooth primitives. They don't need a lot of
memory and are nice from a mathematical point of view.

Thomas

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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 10:39:40
Message: <38c3d13c@news.povray.org>
Thomas Willhalm <tho### [at] willhalmde> wrote:
: Why keep people wanting to tessellate everything?

  I didn't say I want to tesselate it. I was just asking.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 10:51:31
Message: <38C3D398.D5A6FC42@pacbell.net>
Thomas Willhalm wrote:
> 
> Nieminen Juha <war### [at] sarakerttunencstutfi> writes:
> >
> >   Btw: Would tesselation of the blob speed up the rendering? Is rendering
> > a mesh faster than a blob?
> 
> Why keep people wanting to tessellate everything? I like the fact that
> povray has clean and smooth primitives. They don't need a lot of
> memory and are nice from a mathematical point of view.

No one is arguing that POV-Ray should tesselate every object by default.
In fact I know I would never suggest such a thing. But there are certain
features that could be added if POV-Ray could be set to tesselate objects.

Some features that would benefit from this would be -

1. The ability to export .pov objects and scenes to other 3D file formats

2. Surface subdivision - currently only possible with meshes and only
   can be done through use of memory and process intensive operations.

3. Displacement mapping - more accurate surface representations than are
   currently possible with surface normal alone.

And this is just a sampling of the things you can do with tesselated
POV-Ray primitaves.

-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Nathan Kopp
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 16:04:57
Message: <38c41d79$1@news.povray.org>
Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote...
> Some features that would benefit from this would be -
>
> 1. The ability to export .pov objects and scenes to other 3D file formats
>
> 2. Surface subdivision - currently only possible with meshes and only
>    can be done through use of memory and process intensive operations.
>
> 3. Displacement mapping - more accurate surface representations than are
>    currently possible with surface normal alone.

And in some cases speed.  Meshes render faster than objects such as
isosurfaces and probably faster than blobs.

-Nathan


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From: H E  Day
Subject: Re: Is it possible to speed the blobs up in MegaPov?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:35:14
Message: <38C45B96.4943336@fci.net>
>  Manual bounding might help a bit.

I always bound manually. It the only possible way I could use blob to make
any models.

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H.E. Day


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