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From: Ken
Subject: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 01:24:11
Message: <37E5C47A.8D8477D6@pacbell.net>
Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
documenting them at all ?

-- 
Ken Tyler

See my 1000+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 09:44:46
Message: <37e63a4e@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:22:02 -0700, Ken wrote:
>
>
> Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
>documenting them at all ?

Because we don't like writing documentation.  Actually, I agree with you.
I know the superpatch documentation is really horrible, but it's that way
because I mainly cut-n-pasted the docs from the original patches, editing
only for a consistent style and not for content.  Looking back on it, the
isosurface stuff is documented really terribly; it's practically painful 
to look at.


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:34:21
Message: <37E651F0.CEB06C78@aol.com>
>  Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
> documenting them at all ?

The program knows what to do.  :)

With the one I just released, I was up all night putting it together and
had to make a new splash screen and all that other stuff then put the
files together and when it came time to write the docs, I was pretty
spent.  I was also nervous about telling people what to try because I
wasn't sure if everything was working.  Heh heh.

-Mike


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:38:06
Message: <slrn7ucl6u.v8.parkerr@ron.gwmicro.com>
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:25:36 -0500, Mike wrote:
>>  Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
>> documenting them at all ?
>
>The program knows what to do.  :)
>
>With the one I just released, I was up all night putting it together and
>had to make a new splash screen and all that other stuff then put the
>files together and when it came time to write the docs, I was pretty
>spent.  I was also nervous about telling people what to try because I
>wasn't sure if everything was working.  Heh heh.

That's my take, too.  I end up having something I could ship, if I had
documentation, but I don't feel like doing the docs and I end up putting
them off for weeks.  On the other hand, I don't feel right about releasing
undocumented software.


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From: Phil Clute
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 13:31:04
Message: <37E67036.242E9792@tiac.net>
Ron Parker:
>On the other hand, I don't feel right about releasing
>undocumented software.

The newer features obviously don't have tutorial websites because
people are still learning what to do with them, but why not include
links for the subjects that are covered as they become available.

-- 
Phil
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 14:07:14
Message: <37E677B2.21EFFB5B@peak.edu.ee>
They don't want to deprive us of the joy of discovery?

Margus

Ken wrote:
> 
>  Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
> documenting them at all ?
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> See my 1000+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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From: Matthew Corey Brown - XenoArch
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 21:48:13
Message: <37E6E393.1F324062@xenoarch.com>
Phil Clute wrote:
> The newer features obviously don't have tutorial websites because
> people are still learning what to do with them, but why not include
> links for the subjects that are covered as they become available.
> 
> --
> Phil

Well i try to give Ron as much docs as I can and I am starting a
tutorial 
section for Superpatch at my site http://www.xenoarch.com/tutorials

-- 
Matthew Corey Brown                                         XenoArch
mcb### [at] xenoarchcom                             http://www.xenoarch.com


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From: Nathan Kopp
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 22:52:09
Message: <37e6f2d9$1@news.povray.org>
Ron hit the nail on the head.  We don't like to document.  Coding is much
more fun.  :-)  My best documentation came from replies to people's
questions.  I've included replies in portions of the UVPov documentation on
a variety of occasions.

-Nathan

Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote
>
>  Why do patch writers document their patches so poorly when the bother
> documenting them at all ?
>


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 20 Sep 1999 22:58:30
Message: <37e6f456@news.povray.org>
That's what you guys ought to do: write a simple explanation of what that
new doohikey you added does, have someone bust their brains out figuring out
its pros and cons and tricks, and then have that person send you a
documented explanation. It's just that simple! =)


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Patch Documentation
Date: 21 Sep 1999 04:28:18
Message: <37E74113.D16F63A@pacbell.net>
TonyB wrote:
> 
> That's what you guys ought to do: write a simple explanation of what that
> new doohikey you added does, have someone bust their brains out figuring out
> its pros and cons and tricks, and then have that person send you a
> documented explanation. It's just that simple! =)

Amusing.

  When someone is new to the official version of POV-Ray there is a
certain amount of justification to simply beat them over the head with
RTFM !!! Why is that justifiable ? Because the program is so well
documented and dozens of examples are given to explain the concepts.
  When a new patch comes out however the writer of the patch is inundated
with questions from the users of the patch seeking clarification on
operating parameters and ideologies behind the function of the patch.
One would think that the patch writers would try to head off all of the
questions they are eventually going to have to field anyway by spending a
few minutes documenting their new labor of love. If you add up the number
of sentences written in reply to user questions you would see there is
no time lost by taking the time to write a little about what the patch is
supposed to do and how it works. Who better to document it that new patch
than the person who seemingly knows how it works the most - the patch's
author. We the unsuspecting users of the patch are not mind readers you
know !

-- 
Ken Tyler

See my 1000+ Povray, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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