I've recently upgraded to Mandrake 8.0 and I LOVE it.  

I'm running it on a dual OS boot though, with Win98 (XP scares me but
that's a different topic).   Why?

I find myself booting into windows for only TWO things anymore:

playing games (WINE has potential but isn't there quite yet)
working with PoVray

I'm not an experienced user with Linux yet so I still find it much easier
to boot into windows and use the provided GUI editor there.  I read
somewhere that an X gui editor for pov may be included in a future
release and so I am posting this...  Such a thing would give me (and many
others) one less reason to use MS products at all.  It would not only
impact the pov *nix users of the world but would help to influence the
desktop OS revolution in general, albeit not in a big way but every
user-friendly app that makes it's way into *nix is one more step in the
right direction (IMHO).  Tried running Blender yet under *nix?!?!?!
YUCK!

--October

"In a world without walls who needs gates or windows?"

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October <ext### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
: I'm not an experienced user with Linux yet so I still find it much easier
: to boot into windows and use the provided GUI editor there.

  You can set up emacs to work with povray editing quite close to the
Windows POV-Ray. Then you also get all the advantages of emacs.

  By the way, see:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/povVFAQ/miscVFAQ.html#guiforunix

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"October" <ext### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> desktop OS revolution in general, albeit not in a big way but every
> user-friendly app that makes it's way into *nix is one more step in the
> right direction (IMHO).  Tried running Blender yet under *nix?!?!?!
> YUCK!

Tried running Blender under windows? Its still not "user friendly" (user
friendly meaning that it has a standard windows interface that you don't
have to think about to use)

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-The "D"
   If you only have a hammer, you tend to
      see every problem as a nail.
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> I find myself booting into windows for only TWO things anymore:
> 
> playing games (WINE has potential but isn't there quite yet)
> working with PoVray

These are the only two reasons to boot windows for me, too.
Nice to see other people share my situation ;-).
-- 
Sebastian H.

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On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:06:54 -0700, "October" <ext### [at] yahoocom>
wrote:

>I'm not an experienced user with Linux yet so I still find it much easier
>to boot into windows and use the provided GUI editor there.

There are at least four tools that provide about the same
functionality as the Windows GUI:

1. vim and more precisely gvim (requires X and any of motif, athena or
gtk)
2. SciTE (requires gtk)
3. Emacs (even better, XEmacs)
4. Wine :)

The first three have POV modes available. Some are outdated, some are
better. The fourth one... no comment :)


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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> There are at least four tools that provide about the same
> functionality as the Windows GUI:
> 
> 1. vim and more precisely gvim (requires X and any of motif, athena or
> gtk)
> 2. SciTE (requires gtk)
> 3. Emacs (even better, XEmacs)
> 4. Wine :)
> 
> The first three have POV modes available. Some are outdated, some are
> better. The fourth one... no comment :)
> 

I use NEdit (www.nedit.org). It's a fine editor overall, and teaching it
POV syntax is really easy. I haven't checked where it stores the
language templates, but I'll look it up and post it if someone's
interested.
Also, in my experience the POVWin editor runs quite OK under Wine; don't
go rendering with it though ;)

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Margus Ramst

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Peter Popov <pet### [at] vipbg> wrote:
: 3. Emacs (even better, XEmacs)

  Does XEmacs already support pc-selection-mode?
  That's one of the main reasons why I haven't been using it.

  And besides, is there any considerable difference betweem the two
anyways?

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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:08:39 +0200, Sebastian Holtermann wrote:
>
>> I find myself booting into windows for only TWO things anymore:
>> 
>> playing games (WINE has potential but isn't there quite yet)
>> working with PoVray
>
>These are the only two reasons to boot windows for me, too.
>Nice to see other people share my situation ;-).

That's strange, I made the switch to linux so that my POV would
benefit, since Dec 1999 I havn't used Windows or DOS for anything. 

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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> 1. vim and more precisely gvim (requires X and any of motif, athena or
> gtk)

Vim actually works everywhere, so it's the only editor I use,
both on various Linuces, Windows and Unices. I had an
opportunity to have it run under VMS, but didn't take it.

Emacs works under Windows, too. Who said you *had* to be lost
when switching to another OS?  :-)

-- 
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 Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:06:39 +0300, Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee>
wrote:

>I use NEdit (www.nedit.org). It's a fine editor overall, and teaching it
>POV syntax is really easy. I haven't checked where it stores the
>language templates, but I'll look it up and post it if someone's
>interested.

Yeah, I missed that one. I have it somewhere around here, but I forgot
if it was the Windows or *x version, since IIRC both are available.

>Also, in my experience the POVWin editor runs quite OK under Wine; don't
>go rendering with it though ;)

Yup. Wine goes as far as reproducing that Windows bug with
StretchDIBits. Talk about compatibility :)


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