gonzo wrote:

>   #declare Visiting_Dignitaries = Visiting_Dignitaries-1;

     Are you _really_ eating your visitors ?

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use### [at] domaininvalid wrote:
> gonzo wrote:
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>>   #declare Visiting_Dignitaries = Visiting_Dignitaries-1;
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>     Are you _really_ eating your visitors ?

These Visitors are not eaten, they are served.
A served visitor is ready for the next step...

It's only one puppy per visitor, thanks (and per meal...).
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"Greg M. Johnson" <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote:
 Any tips?

Hi, Greg, here's what I do, after nearly two years working with both OS side

real pain and a nerve to switch hundred times between KEdit and the console
Window and the POVWin GUI can't be beaten. Tests are (mostly) rendered in
low resolution, without AA and time-consuming textures and so on. And THEN,
when I think everything is ready (mostly I am wrong at this moment) I put
the whole package on a memory stick and plug it to the Linux machine - and
there it goes.


(inefficient) method.

// -----

Parts of the other answers should be rewritten as follows: even if there
should be some day a POVLinux with inbuilt-GUI, there will always be people
recommending the command-line version because that's what lots of *nix


paranoia.

S.

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"Greg M. Johnson" schrieb:
> >
> > For avoiding typos with file names you can use the bash
> > autocompletition.
> 
> Partial listing of a few of the character files:
> 

Autocompletition will work very well with that.  For 
'mimeobjects399t17.pov' 

for example you would just type 

'm<tab>3<tab>t17<tab>'

Of course for actually finding the file you want to render it would be
better to use more descriptive file names.

BTW no one forces you to render from a terminal - both Emacs and QTPov
support to start a render internally.  It is just that it is more
convenient for a lot of people.

-- Christoph

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Steely schrieb:
> 
> Parts of the other answers should be rewritten as follows: even if there
> should be some day a POVLinux with inbuilt-GUI, there will always be people
> recommending the command-line version because that's what lots of *nix


> paranoia.

Please don't try to talk about things you have no idea of (here read as:
don't make any assumptions about peoples' computer use habits if you
have never seen how they actually work with a computer).

Note while i wrote "...that's what most Unix people prefer..." you think
it is more accurate and helpful to say "...the POVWin GUI can't be
beaten...".

-- Christoph

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Steely <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Hi, Greg, here's what I do, after nearly two years working with both OS side

> real pain and a nerve to switch hundred times between KEdit and the console
> Window and the POVWin GUI can't be beaten.

  Perhaps it's a pain to *you* because you don't know how to do it
efficiently?
  After all, it just requires a couple of keystrokes. Granted, with
that setting you need a couple of keystrokes more: with winpov it's
enough to press alt-g to render while with a setting like yours it
requires pressing alt-tab, up, enter. However, I wouldn't call that
a "real pain".
  Perhaps you just don't know how to use your keyboard?

> Parts of the other answers should be rewritten as follows: even if there
> should be some day a POVLinux with inbuilt-GUI, there will always be people
> recommending the command-line version because that's what lots of *nix


> paranoia.

  It's funny that, according to my experience, most people who advocate
the extensive use of the mouse do not know how to use their mouse
efficiently. I'm not telling you fall into this category, but I wouldn't
be surprised. You present all the symptoms.

-- 
#macro N(D)#if(D>99)cylinder{M()#local D=div(D,104);M().5,2pigment{rgb M()}}
N(D)#end#end#macro M()<mod(D,13)-6mod(div(D,13)8)-3,10>#end blob{
N(11117333955)N(4254934330)N(3900569407)N(7382340)N(3358)N(970)}//  - Warp -

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Steely wrote:
> real pain and a nerve to switch hundred times between KEdit and the console
> Window and the POVWin GUI can't be beaten. Tests are (mostly) rendered in

How about screen?

#starting
screen
nano -w reflective_sphere_on_a_checkered_plane.pov
ctrl+a c
povray +Ireflective_sphere_on_a_checkered_plane.pov +D +P +W800 +H600 -A

#from here this is a cycle
ctrl+a space
*editing the code*
ctrl+a space
ctrl+c
up
enter

Besides, you can let the screen running on the machine and log out (with 
-D you can let the comp continue rendering) by pressing ctrl+a d (it 
resumes with screen -r). You can also use this remotely from another 
machine with X.

> low resolution, without AA and time-consuming textures and so on. And THEN,
> when I think everything is ready (mostly I am wrong at this moment) I put
> the whole package on a memory stick and plug it to the Linux machine - and
> there it goes.

Ever tought about a network? Just edit the file in the same shared dir 
where you render it on another machine, and you can forget the USB-stick.

-- 
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
    http://www.zbxt.net
       aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   Perhaps it's a pain to *you* because you don't know how to do it
> efficiently?

...... possible, of course.

>   After all, it just requires a couple of keystrokes.

No, Warp, sorry, but it does *not*. As I said, it is neither a matter of

You know the Alt-G stroke, You might use it when typing at the notebook, but
it would never, never, never come to your mind when sitting at the PC. Why?


arm that a lot of people think this way (I do, of course).

Then you change the OS. Great! You have hundred distros, a dozen WMs and two

it, you simply ask for- and get a punch on the nose! They talk to you abou
efficiency, but what they mean is - *their* habit ;-) **

> I'm not telling you fall into this category, but I wouldn't
> be surprised.

I wouldn't be also. I'm not an expert. :-)

S.


from Windows, but now it gets off-topic.

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Steely wrote:
> No, Warp, sorry, but it does *not*. As I said, it is neither a matter of

> You know the Alt-G stroke, You might use it when typing at the notebook, but
> it would never, never, never come to your mind when sitting at the PC. Why?


> arm that a lot of people think this way (I do, of course).

What you actually need (with W/L, with desktop/laptop) is a touchpad and 
knowledge of how to really use it. You can use it with the thumb of your 
right hand _while_ you're writing. So it's faster than fast to use - 
when you've just learned it. Ordinary mouse is a piece of s when doing 
anything else but non-Pov-graphics* or games**.

*) meaning graphics that you actually shoot the mouse for a certain 
pixel after a certain pixel.

**) actually, I don't know. I haven't triend playing with touchpad

> Then you change the OS. Great! You have hundred distros, a dozen WMs and two

> it, you simply ask for- and get a punch on the nose! They talk to you abou
> efficiency, but what they mean is - *their* habit ;-) **

True. But our habit is the right habit ;), don't you think? I do miss 
the GUI of WinPOV, but everything else is so crappy and slow with 
Explorer that WinPOV's GUI - as damn good as it is - is not mentionable :/.

  --
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
    http://www.zbxt.net
       aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid

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"Steely" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> >   Perhaps it's a pain to *you* because you don't know how to do it
> > efficiently?
>
> ...... possible, of course.
>
> >   After all, it just requires a couple of keystrokes.
>
> No, Warp, sorry, but it does *not*.

no? yes it does. i consider Alt-G one keystroke, maybe one and a half. I
consider Alt-Tab, Up, Enter as two. up and enter are so close together, that
it's one action really. So how is it not just a couple of keystrokes?

> As I said, it is neither a matter of

> You know the Alt-G stroke, You might use it when typing at the notebook,
but
> it would never, never, never come to your mind when sitting at the PC.
Why?


right
> arm that a lot of people think this way (I do, of course).

But if your hands are on the keyboard typing POV SDL already, why reach for
the mouse when you can, either A) in POV For Windows Alt-G it, or B) in
Unixland Alt-tab Up Enter?

If I reach for the mouse, i've got to move it around and find an icon to
click. Bleh. Inefficiency! Torment! While typing, the keystrokes are a lot
closer and a lot quicker.

Bahavior and habit is not always something to hang your hat on. What if out
of habit you take a certain course driving home. One day a friend shows you
a shortcut that saves you a gallon of gas per week and has no drawbacks? It
would be pointless to take the old way.

If something improves your workflow why not give it a shot? Old Habits be
damned.

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