Luis M. Ibarra <mib### [at] janoestadisticaunammx> wrote:
: global-set-key command. Now for the key how we say "alt-x"? 
: well we say it as M-x. As explained in the tutorial ALT key is the same
: as META key

  Nope. At least in this SparcStation the alt-key and the meta-key are two
different keys (the alt-key reads "alt" and the meta-key has a black
square on it) and they are distinguished even by emacs. If I set the
command for M-x it will not work with alt-x.

: *THAT* take you two years to learn?

  Yes.

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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> 
> Luis M. Ibarra <mib### [at] janoestadisticaunammx> wrote:
> : global-set-key command. Now for the key how we say "alt-x"?
> : well we say it as M-x. As explained in the tutorial ALT key is the same
> : as META key
> 
>   Nope. At least in this SparcStation the alt-key and the meta-key are two
> different keys (the alt-key reads "alt" and the meta-key has a black
> square on it) and they are distinguished even by emacs. If I set the
> command for M-x it will not work with alt-x.

I have a machine where the Windows key is the Meta key.  If I alt-x, it
just beeps at me.  I'm not sure whether the same is true of other
Windows keyboards (seems you can't get anything else for Intel machines
any more).

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Mark Gordon wrote:
> 
> Luis M. Ibarra wrote:
> >
> > Spider wrote:
> > > I know I _should_ learn emacs, but...........
> >
> > Learn Emacs, it'll pay back soon.
> 
> I wonder whether there's a predisposition among people who use POV-Ray
> to prefer Emacs to vi?  Any vi partisans out there?
> 
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I like gvim, it rules!  I use syntax highlighting with gvim and it's
great for POV Ray and Tcl.

http://www.vim.org

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I just use the cooledit that cames with midnight commander in the
console
with some minor tweaks in the .cooledit/Syntax file you could make the
thing
to colour your pov files. It's very intuitive and you could learn how to
use
it in 2 days ...
 Yes I know .. emacs is more powerfull ... i tried it but my lazyness
won.


Un saludo
Francisco

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a very cool (x11) editor is eddi ( a tix based editor)
syntaxhighlightning for c tcl...html...and all written in tcl 
have a hack
merath
i did the download from 
ftp.suse.com  /pub../i3866.2/suse/tcl../eddi*.rpm

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"Luis M. Ibarra" wrote:

> If Emacs seems too complex, you may like jed (It should be easy to write
> a povray editing mode [ala pov-mode.el] for jed).

	Or if one is of the old school, the ever popular jstar to invoke
the wordstar keystrokes in jed.

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Mark Gordon <mtg### [at] mailbagcom> wrote:

> I wonder whether there's a predisposition among people who use POV-Ray
> to prefer Emacs to vi?  Any vi partisans out there?

Oh, yes :-)
I use elvis for POV-Ray scene editing. It is a more compact vi clone
than vim, but it has all the features I need: user-defined syntax
hilighting, multiple buffers, X window support, colors...

http://www.fh-wedel.de/elvis/index.html

bye,
  Chris
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Christian Perle wrote:
> 
> Mark Gordon <mtg### [at] mailbagcom> wrote:
> 
> > I wonder whether there's a predisposition among people who use POV-Ray
> > to prefer Emacs to vi?  Any vi partisans out there?
> 
> Oh, yes :-)
> I use elvis for POV-Ray scene editing. It is a more compact vi clone
> than vim, but it has all the features I need: user-defined syntax
> hilighting, multiple buffers, X window support, colors...

Oh, I use both. I mean elvis and vim, of course. :-)

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Adrien Beau <adr### [at] freefr> wrote:

> Oh, I use both. I mean elvis and vim, of course. :-)

I found that syntax hilighting in vim much slower than in elvis. Also,
elvis's html display mode is very nice :)

See elvis in action on my linux desktop (in an Eterm):

http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~incp/deskshot.jpg

bye,
  Chris
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Christian Perle wrote:
> 
> I found that syntax hilighting in vim much slower than in elvis. Also,
> elvis's html display mode is very nice :)

Hmm, I think elvis's html display is good for displaying
its documentation, but I'll go to lynx or links for real
text-mode surfing.

As for syntax highlighting, I mostly use vim, I didn't
look at how elvis does it. vim (can) use lots of regexp
in its syntax highlighting, and of course this has a price.

To sum up: elvis for quick editing (a config file, some
html patching) and vim for more "heavy" work (I don't
mean by far that elvis can't do it -- just that I don't
mind launching a "big" executable when I intend to work
for a little while, hence vim, and that I don't like to wait for
an executable to launch when I want to edit a ridiculously
small file, hence elvis).

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