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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> here). There is no reason to use that proprietary class library and those
> language extensions in any software other than locking it to Microsoft
> operating systems.
Actually, I tried Mono under Linux and it works like a charm.
Of course, that applies to C# and not mixed-mode C++. Not that
it would make a lot of sense to port POV-Ray to C#, except maybe
the Windows GUI (in that area, it might simplify development
and enable it to run under Linux as well).
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tomuk07 wrote:
> I can program. I spend 5 years in College learning Programming from
> languages Pascal to Visual Basic. I'm really interested in OOP though.
>
> I've tried Java and C++ but lack the experience of working on a commercial
> project, and no one wants to employ a unexperienced guy, Catch 22 (Can't
> get a job without experience, cant get experience without a job).
Hmm, I am not sure there is a way to put this nicely: If you make statements
like you made in this thread in a job interview, nobody who knows anything
about programming will hire you. Further, if you were really taught more
than one programming language of the same type, your education, well ... you
should have learned about algorithm theory, logic, mathematics, computer
architecture and various other topics at least 90% of your education.
Programming is not something that should have been a focus of your education
at all - it is something you will have learned as a "by the way" kind of
thing after the first year of study, and mostly on your own as a
prerequisite in advanced courses. If you did not, unfortunately you have a
very small chance to get a good job currently.
Thorsten
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Le 02/27/2007 10:46 PM, Christian Froeschlin nous fit lire :
> Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>
>> here). There is no reason to use that proprietary class library and those
>> language extensions in any software other than locking it to Microsoft
>> operating systems.
>
> Actually, I tried Mono under Linux and it works like a charm.
> Of course, that applies to C# and not mixed-mode C++. Not that
> it would make a lot of sense to port POV-Ray to C#, except maybe
> the Windows GUI (in that area, it might simplify development
> and enable it to run under Linux as well).
There is more under the sun for Povray than Linux and Microsoft.
Adding dependencies to external code/library is just asking for
troubles and lost of users.
--
The superior man understands what is right;
the inferior man understands what will sell.
-- Confucius
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Le Forgeron <jgr### [at] free fr> wrote:
> There is more under the sun for Povray than Linux and Microsoft.
> Adding dependencies to external code/library is just asking for
> troubles and lost of users.
Especially given that a program like POV-Ray doesn't need such
dependencies.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> What makes you think that "no .NET 2.0" = "no OO"?
Or, for that matter, that "no OO" means "no .NET 2.0"? :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"Let the wine breathe" does not mean to blow bubbles.
Trust me: your wine does not need CPR.
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> tomuk07 wrote:
> > I can program. I spend 5 years in College learning Programming from
> > languages Pascal to Visual Basic. I'm really interested in OOP though.
> >
> > I've tried Java and C++ but lack the experience of working on a commercial
> > project, and no one wants to employ a unexperienced guy, Catch 22 (Can't
> > get a job without experience, cant get experience without a job).
>
> Hmm, I am not sure there is a way to put this nicely: If you make statements
> like you made in this thread in a job interview, nobody who knows anything
> about programming will hire you. Further, if you were really taught more
> than one programming language of the same type, your education, well ... you
> should have learned about algorithm theory, logic, mathematics, computer
> architecture and various other topics at least 90% of your education.
> Programming is not something that should have been a focus of your education
> at all - it is something you will have learned as a "by the way" kind of
> thing after the first year of study, and mostly on your own as a
> prerequisite in advanced courses. If you did not, unfortunately you have a
> very small chance to get a good job currently.
>
> Thorsten
Okay, I did do some of that.
I started my computing education around 2001 doing C&G Intermediate IT.
Word Processing, Spreadsheets, Web Page Design,Databases, and #Visual Basic#
After that I did Access Computing which consisted of Business Solutions,
Business Organisations, Comms and Technology, and #Programming (Pascal)#
In 2002 I started a HND in Computing which taught me loads,
including : Visual Programming, User Interface Design and Introduction to
Programming. Which was all done in Visual Basic 6. To see the full specs of
the couse, which is now replaced FDSC Computing, goto :
http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/76031/HNC_Computing__Info_Systems__structure.pdf
Before 2000 i was at college going nowhere, because supported me with my
disabilty, which you probably don't want to hear about.
Tom
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tomuk07 wrote:
>
http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/76031/HNC_Computing__Info_Systems__structure.pdf
I am sorry, but from the looks of the course titles this isn't a computer
science education, which would, among other things be teaching the stills
needed for software development. Your education is well suited for technical
support and administration of computer hardware and software though. In
short, your knowledge is more on the user side of things, not on the
development side of things. This also explains your various misconceptions
in your earlier posts.
Good luck,
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> This also explains your various misconceptions
> in your earlier posts.
It's curious how many misconceptions some people, who don't really know
too much about programming per se, have about the magical term "Object
Oriented Programming".
At one point, I think it was in the early/mid 90's, Object Orientedness
was the craze and hype. It entered the marketing speech, and as we know,
those people will use whatever term will sell regardless of whether it's
really a proper use of the term or not.
Someone (it seems to be someone named Roger King according to google)
made a sarcastic remark: "My cat is object-oriented." (Meaning that if
he had to sell his cat, he would advertise it as object-oriented because
that was all the hype back then, instead of advertising it like usually.)
I suppose that misconceptions about object-orientedness still live on.
--
- Warp
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> tomuk07 wrote:
> >
http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/76031/HNC_Computing__Info_Systems__structure.pdf
>
> I am sorry, but from the looks of the course titles this isn't a computer
> science education, which would, among other things be teaching the stills
> needed for software development. Your education is well suited for technical
> support and administration of computer hardware and software though. In
> short, your knowledge is more on the user side of things, not on the
> development side of things. This also explains your various misconceptions
> in your earlier posts.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Thorsten
I didn't do all of those subjects I did various software options.
Here is a list of the units I did.
Year 1 Term 1
Information Systems (H2)
Computer Platforms (H1)
Year 1 Term 2
Systems Analysis (H2)
Data Structures and Algorithms (H2) along with Problem Solving
Year 2 Term 3
Introduction to Programming
/* Personal Note: Year 2 was a bit mixed up because of a lecturer leaving */
Year 2 Term 1
Software Development Project (H2)
Personal Skills Development (H2)
Year 2 Term 2
Software Development Project (H2)
Visual Programming
Year 2 Term 3
Computer Based Learning
/* Year 3 was even more mixed up because the year was no longer split in
terms but semesters */
Year 3 Semester 1
Professional Project (I was finishing of a project from Y2)
// Note: We would have done OOP but the majority of people decided to Web
Site //Management
Web Site Management
Year 3 Semester 2
Professional Project
Networking Technology + Supporting OS And NOS (Operating Systems and Network
Operating Systems)
Year 3 Semester 3
Professional Project
Quality Management
So you can see I had a mixed education, after that I did do a course in C++
and I have brought loads of books on OOP and Programming. I just need a
professional project to get me into the mind set of OOP.
Tom
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"tomuk07" <Tom### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> > tomuk07 wrote:
> > >
http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/76031/HNC_Computing__Info_Systems__structure.pdf
> >
> > I am sorry, but from the looks of the course titles this isn't a computer
> > science education, which would, among other things be teaching the stills
> > needed for software development. Your education is well suited for technical
> > support and administration of computer hardware and software though. In
> > short, your knowledge is more on the user side of things, not on the
> > development side of things. This also explains your various misconceptions
> > in your earlier posts.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Thorsten
>
> I didn't do all of those subjects I did various software options.
> Here is a list of the units I did.
>
> Year 1 Term 1
> Information Systems (H2)
> Computer Platforms (H1)
>
> Year 1 Term 2
> Systems Analysis (H2)
> Data Structures and Algorithms (H2) along with Problem Solving
>
> Year 2 Term 3
> Introduction to Programming
>
> /* Personal Note: Year 2 was a bit mixed up because of a lecturer leaving */
> Year 2 Term 1
> Software Development Project (H2)
> Personal Skills Development (H2)
>
> Year 2 Term 2
> Software Development Project (H2)
> Visual Programming
>
> Year 2 Term 3
> Computer Based Learning
>
> /* Year 3 was even more mixed up because the year was no longer split in
> terms but semesters */
>
> Year 3 Semester 1
> Professional Project (I was finishing of a project from Y2)
>
> // Note: We would have done OOP but the majority of people decided to Web
> Site //Management
>
> Web Site Management
>
> Year 3 Semester 2
>
> Professional Project
> Networking Technology + Supporting OS And NOS (Operating Systems and Network
> Operating Systems)
>
> Year 3 Semester 3
> Professional Project
> Quality Management
>
> So you can see I had a mixed education, after that I did do a course in C++
> and I have brought loads of books on OOP and Programming. I just need a
> professional project to get me into the mind set of OOP.
>
> Tom
Also at the end of Year 1 and beginning of Y2 another group joined with us.
There were 2 groups.
There was Tuesday Afternoon and Thursday Evening: Group 1
and Wednesday Afternoon and Evening: Group 2
I was in group 2, in Year 1 to Term 2, till people started to drop out, that
made the other group and our group not worth having.
So they merged to two groups, the first group did ASP on another day, which
we didn't know about.
Tom
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