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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Art (not Jack)
Date: 3 Dec 2017 09:30:00
Message: <web.5a2409dfb7ed462f5cafe28e0@news.povray.org>
I may have to watch this again later over a beverage.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc


Following up on that, I found this a very interesting, good read:

https://atlassociety.org/objectivism/students/students-blog/3671-why-art-became-ugly?highlight=WyJhcnQiLCJhcnQncyIsImJl
YXV0eSJd


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 3 Dec 2017 11:44:43
Message: <5a2429fb$1@news.povray.org>
Am 12/3/2017 um 15:27 schrieb Bald Eagle:
> I may have to watch this again later over a beverage.  :D
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc
> 
> 

I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and 
chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.

-Ive


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 3 Dec 2017 13:16:01
Message: <5a243f61$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/12/2017 16:44, Ive wrote:
> Am 12/3/2017 um 15:27 schrieb Bald Eagle:

>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc
>>
>>
> 
> I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and 
> chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.
> 

Strong words there Ive.
I managed to make it past "my two year old could do better than that". 
But not past the two minute mark. And what have you got against 
arseholes? They have their uses and his seems to migrated to his mouth. ;-)
Myself I don't appreciate that sort of art and would not want it in my 
house. But more power the elbow of an artist who can command those 
prices. It is fools that buy it. IMO
And what's with his teeth? Is he trying to pretend he is not Caucasian?


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 3 Dec 2017 18:55:01
Message: <web.5a248c839a92cd8d5cafe28e0@news.povray.org>
Ive <ive### [at] lilysoftorg> wrote:

> I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and
> chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.

Well, there it is, plain as day - so suspend your disbelief.

I have no idea who PJ Watson is, and as the video was about "art" and not
National Socialists or chemtrails, I don't really care who he is.
Whatever else he's done, I'm pretty sure I can get over it and just enjoy the
video for what it is.

It seemed more to me like he was calling out the actual assholes in "the art
world" - much like those at Retraction Watch call out the asshole frauds and
liars in science and medicine.  Regardless of your subjective view of the
messenger, I thought he had some solid, valid points in his message.

Plus, it's entertainment. Like many famous comedians, actors, etc - _sometimes_
"being an asshole" is an asset - it adds to the comedy.

And I did watch it a second time - and it was just as funny to me as the first
time!   :D

And, btw,
I think Stephen scarred Clipka with his last video link - but I have to say that
aside from "WTF", I kinda laughed pretty hard at that one too.   It was like
some sad example of Japan following in the footsteps of The Spice Girls...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 03:03:10
Message: <5a25013e$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-12-2017 15:27, Bald Eagle wrote:
> I may have to watch this again later over a beverage.  :D
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc

Cow droppings, as far as I can judge. I suppose the author takes himself 
very seriously but I would not hire him as an art critic.

> 
> 
> Following up on that, I found this a very interesting, good read:
> 
>
https://atlassociety.org/objectivism/students/students-blog/3671-why-art-became-ugly?highlight=WyJhcnQiLCJhcnQncyIsImJl
> YXV0eSJd
> 

Looking at art at large through a microscope. Art was (20th c.) and is 
much more and more diversified than that.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 04:37:07
Message: <5a251743@news.povray.org>
On 03/12/2017 23:51, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Ive <ive### [at] lilysoftorg> wrote:
> 
>> I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and
>> chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.
> 
> Well, there it is, plain as day - so suspend your disbelief.
> 
> I have no idea who PJ Watson is, and as the video was about "art" and not
> National Socialists or chemtrails, I don't really care who he is.
> Whatever else he's done, I'm pretty sure I can get over it and just enjoy the
> video for what it is.
> 
> It seemed more to me like he was calling out the actual assholes in "the art
> world" - much like those at Retraction Watch call out the asshole frauds and
> liars in science and medicine.  Regardless of your subjective view of the
> messenger, I thought he had some solid, valid points in his message.
> 

He might have but I didn't get that far. His delivery offended my 
sensibilities.


> Plus, it's entertainment. Like many famous comedians, actors, etc - _sometimes_
> "being an asshole" is an asset - it adds to the comedy.
> 

You should have said it was a comedy.

> And I did watch it a second time - and it was just as funny to me as the first
> time!   :D
> 
> And, btw,
> I think Stephen scarred Clipka with his last video link - but I have to say that
> aside from "WTF", I kinda laughed pretty hard at that one too.   It was like
> some sad example of Japan following in the footsteps of The Spice Girls...
> 

:)
With a homage to the USA.

It is your fault, I think. (I am a bit distracted atm.) It was the first 
result I got when I googled "yum yum yum"
I have a collection if WTF songs in my mind. Should I share? ;)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 04:40:23
Message: <5a251807$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/12/2017 08:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
> Looking at art at large through a microscope. Art was (20th c.) and is 
> much more and more diversified than that.

Well "art" means different things to different people.
Not many people call me an artist unless they look at my images through 
a telescope the wrong way round.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 06:10:41
Message: <5a252d31@news.povray.org>
Am 12/3/2017 um 19:16 schrieb Stephen:
> On 03/12/2017 16:44, Ive wrote:
>> Am 12/3/2017 um 15:27 schrieb Bald Eagle:

>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and 
>> chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.
>>
> 
> Strong words there Ive.

Well, he believes in a Jewish-world-conspiracy and is a active member in 
the "new right" movement. There he positions himself and this is not my 
"subjective view" as BaldEagle seems to believe.


> I managed to make it past "my two year old could do better than that". 
> But not past the two minute mark.

I didn't even bother to watch it. I'm sure an uneducated former toilet 
cleaner (sic!) has nothing to say about art that is of any interest to me.
I do know about P.J. Walker (and watched a few videos of him) because he 
is a role model for our local "truther" and conspiracy theorist.
This one does actually believe that the world is hollow - well this is't 
really new, we all know that there is a secret entrance at the south 
pole and Hitler and Braun where evacuated there - together with the 
German "Wunderwaffen". But what left me quite speechless for a while, he 
also thinks we are living inside this hollow earth where the sun is a 
small ball in the exact center.
While this might sound funny - it is not so funny that he is also a 
straightforward racist. For sure, the government, astronomers, 
scientists, the NASA anyway, are all jewish infiltrated liars.
It is also not very funny that he already convinced a few younger people 

militia) within our small village.
Meanwhile I only have a laugh about this kind of stupidity when it is my 
cynical afternoon (every 1st Thursday and 3rd Friday in a month).

-Ive


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 06:31:06
Message: <5a2531fa$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/12/2017 11:09, Ive wrote:
> Am 12/3/2017 um 19:16 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 03/12/2017 16:44, Ive wrote:
>>> Am 12/3/2017 um 15:27 schrieb Bald Eagle:
>>>> I may have to watch this again later over a beverage.  :D
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't believe you did post a video by this asshole, neo-nazi and
>>> chemtrail believer P.J. Watson. Shame on you.
>>>
>>
>> Strong words there Ive.
>
> Well, he believes in a Jewish-world-conspiracy and is a active member in
> the "new right" movement. There he positions himself and this is not my
> "subjective view" as BaldEagle seems to believe.
>
>
>> I managed to make it past "my two year old could do better than that".
>> But not past the two minute mark.
>
> I didn't even bother to watch it. I'm sure an uneducated former toilet
> cleaner (sic!) has nothing to say about art that is of any interest to me.
> I do know about P.J. Walker (and watched a few videos of him) because he
> is a role model for our local "truther" and conspiracy theorist.
> This one does actually believe that the world is hollow - well this is't
> really new, we all know that there is a secret entrance at the south
> pole and Hitler and Braun where evacuated there - together with the
> German "Wunderwaffen". But what left me quite speechless for a while, he
> also thinks we are living inside this hollow earth where the sun is a
> small ball in the exact center.
> While this might sound funny - it is not so funny that he is also a
> straightforward racist. For sure, the government, astronomers,
> scientists, the NASA anyway, are all jewish infiltrated liars.
> It is also not very funny that he already convinced a few younger people

> militia) within our small village.

Thanks and now I know more than I ever wanted to know.
Personally I am against social media as it is and think the media 
companies should be treated the same as print media. Subject to the same 
laws of libel.

> Meanwhile I only have a laugh about this kind of stupidity when it is my
> cynical afternoon (every 1st Thursday and 3rd Friday in a month).
>

The inverse of me, then. I believe everything I read/hear on a few days 
of the year. ;)


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Art (not Jack)
Date: 4 Dec 2017 08:15:01
Message: <web.5a2549679a92cd8dc437ac910@news.povray.org>
Ive <ive### [at] lilysoftorg> wrote:

> Well, he believes in a Jewish-world-conspiracy and is a active member in
> the "new right" movement. There he positions himself and this is not my
> "subjective view" as BaldEagle seems to believe.

I don't follow all of this alt-right new-right whatever stuff.

I'll post videos by intelligent, reasoning, well-spoken (and jewish) Ben Shapiro
instead.
Or maybe Thomas Sowell and Morgan Freeman.

> This one does actually believe that the world is hollow -

Right - there was that documentary about that and everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF8Bf1d_crk



See, that's just ludicrous.
Everyone knows the world is FLAT and things move around in the sky on the dome
of the heavens.   The evidence is _simple_ and ...  "all around you".   ;)


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