andrel wrote:
> On 4-8-2012 6:02, waggy wrote:
>
> > Modern software doesn't make these respectable jobs obsolete, it just gives
> > authors the tools to do all of them themselves, poorly, when we could be doing
> > more of the research we're good at.
>
> This is where Andy could have looked for a job. If research-funding had
> been more sensible.
>
With those skills, perhaps a position as a professional (grant or other)
proposal writer might be a good fit.

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On 8/4/2012 14:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:30:15 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>> Native american: I was born in America.
>>
>> American Indian: My ancestors 1000 years ago were born in America.
>
> Here in Utah, that's not the common parlance.

Yes, I know. I do it out of spite.

> "American Citizen" is used to reflect someone who is a citizen of the US;
> "Natural Born [American] Citizen" is used to denote someone who received
> their citizenship by being born here.

That would be the correct legal terms, yes.

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:05:16 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 8/4/2012 14:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:30:15 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> Native american: I was born in America.
>>>
>>> American Indian: My ancestors 1000 years ago were born in America.
>>
>> Here in Utah, that's not the common parlance.
> 
> Yes, I know. I do it out of spite.

I figured you did, which is why I was puzzled by it myself. :)

>> "American Citizen" is used to reflect someone who is a citizen of the
>> US;
>> "Natural Born [American] Citizen" is used to denote someone who
>> received their citizenship by being born here.
> 
> That would be the correct legal terms, yes.

Well, not just legal terms, but round here, it's common terminology 
outside the legal field.

Maybe it's a bigger thing here in Utah, though - July 24 is "Pioneer 
Day".  Some of the local Native American tribes have started a 
celebration in parallel - a sort of intertribal powwow.

Pioneer Day in Utah is *big*.  Bigger than the 4th of July.  Seriously, 
it's crazy here on the 24th, and the 4th doesn't seem like anywhere near 
as big of a deal.

Jim

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On 8/4/2012 11:22 AM, andrel wrote:
> On 4-8-2012 6:02, waggy wrote:
>> Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>>> In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
>>>> copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
>>>> Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't
>>>> going to
>>>> fail to have a vanity copy.
>>>
>>> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
>>> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...
>>
>> At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school
>> library.
>
> I had about 300 IIRC. Different system. Ours is better ;)
>
>> I must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online
>> publisher to make
>> available through their private (paid) service. Registering a
>> copyright and
>> providing open access are add-on costs for the author.
>
> I thought that even the USA had gone over to the sensible system that
> everything one writes is automatically copyrighted.
>

Not entirely sure that I would call the US "sensible" in this case, 
since what it means in reality is "perpetual copyright", the resent BS 
from SCOTUS that you can re-copyright public works, the near total 
elimination of anything ever going public *ever* unless explicitly done, 
and finally, the fact that 90% of all works are copyrighted not to the 
authors, but whom ever they worked for, while doing it.

The last bit basically means that you, as a programmer, designer, 
writer, etc., don't own shit all of anything, unless you are willing to 
starve and never take corporate money, until you magically succeed at 
something. And, in practical terms, you can't even design a product in 
those conditions, without generally being unable to sell it, having to 
hand over rights to someone else anyway, and/or having to pay out vast 
amount of money, to cover your ass with prior works, patents, etc.

The only thing a published work avoids is that it is a) easier to create 
derivatives, in theory, and b) you can't patent it. But, I am sure some 
asshole is working on the latter in some special interest group some 
place...

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On 8/4/2012 4:05 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> "American Citizen" is used to reflect someone who is a citizen of the US;
>> "Natural Born [American] Citizen" is used to denote someone who received
>> their citizenship by being born here.
>
> That would be the correct legal terms, yes.
>
So.. Here the joke about the Rethuglican that wants to attack this 
definition's allowance that it must be on "US soil", as defined as 
military bases, and other US sovereign locations, but is too stupid to 
realize it would put dozens of his own party members in the position of 
being illegal, including the one they just got through praising as "far 
better than that current guy, which we need to get rid of by making this 
illegal!"

---bit of a rant---

I swear... The only thing worse than trying to figure out what the hell 
some people high up in the government are doing is figuring out what 
they are doing "local". City council positions are up this election. 
There are like 8 names for possible candidates, it says, "Pick three". I 
found vague references on two of them, but nothing substantial, a 
facebook page for one, which suggest they are "family values" oriented, 
which is a buzz phrase in the US for, "Batshit insane, probably 
Republican, and definitely right wing.", one comment in a news article 
where a candidate basically claimed liberals where crazy, and scared of 
the Tea Party (which, of course, means she escalated herself into the, 
"Even more insane than the facebook person, who might just have a vague 
position, which happens to echo rhetoric from the loonies."), and one 
reference to a candidate, which involved their association with 
education groups. That last one was the only one that came even *close* 
to representing a policy position.

How the hell do you vote sane people into office, and vote out the 
morons, if they all think that the only thing you need to know about 
them, when making a decision, was... nothing? Not even, in the case of 
the council, what party they are in, which at least, would suggest 
*something* about their positions, even if not much.

But, that isn't the worst part. Nearly everyone else on all other 
categories are nearly as bad, some of them having nothing more than a 
page saying, "This person is a candidate, but has made no statements 
about anything at all, while running." Given this is Arizona, and the 
law, idiotically, doesn't let you vote in the primary for anyone not in 
your own party (wouldn't want people wasting their vote, by picking the 
less insane candidate from the other party, and thus causing that party 
to not get what they think is best for them.", or some insane argument. 
The second election, you get to pick between their bloviating idiot, and 
yours though, which usually means a right wing nutcase, and a 
"middle-right Democrat"... But, even if you only get one name, how the 
hell are you supposed to figure out if they are any better or worse than 
the other side's pick, if all they have is a blank page, a picture, and 
***nothing*** about what they stand for? Its like they think: "Well, its 
a choice between what ever Democrat means, and the right, so of course 
they will vote for me." No.. You might be crazier than they are, but I 
can't tell, because you won't take a stand on anything.

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Am 05.08.2012 21:25, schrieb Patrick Elliott:

> How the hell do you vote sane people into office, and vote out the
> morons, if they all think that the only thing you need to know about
> them, when making a decision, was... nothing?

Mandatory viewing:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1LLsw1lcuA

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On 8/5/2012 3:16 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 05.08.2012 21:25, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>
>> How the hell do you vote sane people into office, and vote out the
>> morons, if they all think that the only thing you need to know about
>> them, when making a decision, was... nothing?
>
> Mandatory viewing:
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1LLsw1lcuA
>
Yes, well.. The problem here is that one of the people that is a serious 
nutter is trying to get voted in, I still don't know jack about the ones 
that are in, and even less about any of the others trying to get in. You 
could vote them all out, and, in the current Tea Party happy land of the 
US, end up voting in the American version of some horrible cross between 
the Taliban, Ayn Rand, and the Pope. You can, at that point, pretty much 
screw your health care, economics, and social freedoms all goodby, in 
one stroke, in favor of getting to kiss the ass of some rich assholes, 
like who ever thought that the economic prosperity of my city would best 
be served not by encouraging some sort of industry into the city, but 
building 50 foot metal, decorating, cages, filled with river rocks, so 
they had a new place to hang a sign or two, during some city event (at 
who the hell knows how much money they cost...)

The only thing stupider I have seen a city do was one in California 
which page some nut several million for horrible metal sculptures, a few 
barrel shaped "wind chimes" for the main street, and some bluish lit 
glass path, supposedly a "stream down the center of the street", in the 
separator between sides, which, unless you where flying, you couldn't 
see, even if you had the time, while fighting traffic, to see in the 
first place.

Since then, they have lost three malls, both movie theaters, and.. I 
think next week they are considering how to deport the city, on the 
grounds its forgotten how to speak anything other than Spanish. 
(Kidding, but seriously, almost no one there is a non-latino any more.)

Here... there seems to be a sort of strange split personality, between 
the people that could keep the city alive, and are under 50, and the 
"retired", who, well.. being retired, don't exactly contribute to new 
business. You could replace the entirely younger population with robots, 
and it probably wouldn't even change how much they already complain 
about their receipt not matching the prices they didn't read in the 
first place, or how noisy X people where, or what is wrong with some 
other thing, etc.

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Le 2012-08-04 17:59, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> "Natural Born [American] Citizen" is used to denote someone who received
> their citizenship by being born here.

Unless, of course, their father was a Kenyan student.


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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:58:23 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:

> Le 2012-08-04 17:59, Jim Henderson a écrit :
>> "Natural Born [American] Citizen" is used to denote someone who
>> received their citizenship by being born here.
> 
> Unless, of course, their father was a Kenyan student.

Um, no, Obama was actually born in Hawaii.

(Or are you making a joke?)

Jim

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On 07/08/2012 6:10 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> (Or are you making a joke?)

Sounds like a joke to me. A dig at a certain Arizonan lawman.

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