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On 03/08/2012 5:52 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 12:54, Stephen wrote:
>> Is it an American thing?
>
> FWIW, as a native American,
Is that significant?
> it's one of the few "rules" that never
> seemed controversial.
Sounds like an American thing then.
>Then again, I learned to type on a manual
> typewriter, so maybe times have changed.
>
I learned to type on a teletype 33. No typing in school for boys.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 03/08/2012 5:58 PM, Darren New wrote:
> I was amused at an American TV show, where the cop describes the other
> cop as a "loose cannon" or something like that, and the french subtitles
> translated it to "cowboy" (in English). Ah, so *that* is the weird
> stereotype others have of Americans: wild west themes.
In Britain nowadays, a cowboy is someone who does a shoddy job. E.g. a
cowboy builder.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Darren New wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 0:57, Invisible wrote:
> > Wait, what? You wrote a sentence that was /more/ than 3 lines long? What are
> > you, a lawyer? ;-)
>
> No, a PhD student. :)
>
This thesis is for a master's in mechanical engeering. If it gets accepted, the
PhD dissertation saga begins in the fall.
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Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Do they expect automatic translation to be successful on your thesis ?
You are prescient, in a way. The greatest trouble I've had so far is with
conditional statements.
The following:
"A mechanical component can fail when a crack in it grows too long."
could be reworded as:
"A too-long crack can fail a mechanical component."
which sounds like it has been poorly translated from some other language.
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On 8/1/2012 1:39 AM, waggy wrote:
> Well, I defended my thesis the other day and learned that my professors all
> despise my writing style. One committee member advised me to reorganize and
> rewrite the entire thing, with these specific instructions, "All your sentences
> should be subject-verb-object and no more than three lines long."
"Only those who have nothing to say can afford to be language purists."
Regards,
John
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Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
> > In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
> > copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
> > Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
> > fail to have a vanity copy.
>
> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...
At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school library. I
must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online publisher to make
available through their private (paid) service. Registering a copyright and
providing open access are add-on costs for the author.
I'll shell out the bucks for the copyright since my thesis has immediate
commercial applications and I don't want one company monopolizing it. (I don't
mind not getting a piece of it since public funds paid for the research and most
applications involve safety.)
I'm also on the open-access side of scholarly publication. However, I have
worked with professional technical editors and think we need to figure out how
to get them back into the technical publication process. Peer review generally
works well enough for checking the content, but it seems silly that researchers
also need to have the specialized skills of a proofreader, copy editor, graphic
artist, and sometimes even page layout specialist.
Modern software doesn't make these respectable jobs obsolete, it just gives
authors the tools to do all of them themselves, poorly, when we could be doing
more of the research we're good at.
[It feels good to leave that preposition there at the end, where it belongs.]
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On 8/3/2012 13:08, Stephen wrote:
> On 03/08/2012 5:52 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 8/2/2012 12:54, Stephen wrote:
>>> Is it an American thing?
>>
>> FWIW, as a native American,
>
> Is that significant?
To the extent that the question was "is that an American thing?" yes.
>
>> it's one of the few "rules" that never
>> seemed controversial.
>
> Sounds like an American thing then.
>
>> Then again, I learned to type on a manual
>> typewriter, so maybe times have changed.
>>
>
> I learned to type on a teletype 33. No typing in school for boys.
>
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
"Don't panic. There's beans and filters
in the cabinet."
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On 8/3/2012 9:02 PM, waggy wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
>>> copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
>>> Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
>>> fail to have a vanity copy.
>>
>> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
>> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...
>
> At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school library. I
> must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online publisher to make
> available through their private (paid) service. Registering a copyright and
> providing open access are add-on costs for the author.
>
Medical community is sort of pissed over some of that practice. Its
generally "common" practice, in that field, to also submit a version to
same public archive, like PubMed, only, many of those "paid services"
don't want any of it to be available, save through their paid services.
How the hell they think medicine would have advanced, if every time
someone wanted to run an experiment, they had to pay half their research
budget to buy papers on the prior experiments done in the same field, is
beyond me. How people manage it in other fields, as it is... Well, given
the state that some "tech" was in, among research institutes, as apposed
to the business world, a few years back, the answer seems to be, "Huh?
You mean they make IDEs and debuggers?"
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> How the hell they think medicine would have advanced, if every time
> someone wanted to run an experiment, they had to pay half their research
> budget to buy papers on the prior experiments done in the same field, is
> beyond me.
Let me fill you in: THEY DON'T CARE. So long as somebody gives them
money. ;-)
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On 4-8-2012 6:02, waggy wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> On 03/08/2012 05:50 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> In addition, the school itself gets a copy of the thesis (or many
>>> copies) and they wind up in the department or library or something.
>>> Certainly when the student publishes a thesis, the school isn't going to
>>> fail to have a vanity copy.
>>
>> Sure. But that doesn't help *me* read it. I always seem to have trouble
>> getting my hands on interesting papers and stuff...
>
> At my university, I have to deliver two printed copies to the school library.
I had about 300 IIRC. Different system. Ours is better ;)
> I must also deliver an electronic copy to a commercial online publisher to make
> available through their private (paid) service. Registering a copyright and
> providing open access are add-on costs for the author.
I thought that even the USA had gone over to the sensible system that
everything one writes is automatically copyrighted.
> I'll shell out the bucks for the copyright since my thesis has immediate
> commercial applications and I don't want one company monopolizing it.
I don't see how a copyright could help here. A patent might, but a
copyright just protects the wording, not the idea. You could prevent a
company to get a patent because of prior art. But as the thesis is an
official document with a date, you don't need a copyright either.
> (I don't
> mind not getting a piece of it since public funds paid for the research and most
> applications involve safety.)
>
> I'm also on the open-access side of scholarly publication. However, I have
> worked with professional technical editors and think we need to figure out how
> to get them back into the technical publication process. Peer review generally
> works well enough for checking the content, but it seems silly that researchers
> also need to have the specialized skills of a proofreader, copy editor, graphic
> artist, and sometimes even page layout specialist.
It is part of the western world's attempt to keep the Chinese out. Their
English is often so bad that we can reject the papers they send to the
journals without even looking at the content. Or looking at it,
reproducing and publishing first, depending on your morals.
> Modern software doesn't make these respectable jobs obsolete, it just gives
> authors the tools to do all of them themselves, poorly, when we could be doing
> more of the research we're good at.
Somehow I think you do not understand the reasons behind modern
research. Employing someone to do research is mainly because otherwise
the statistics look bad. When researchers do actually research they
spends money on top of their salary. To cut the costs it is important to
prevent that.
> [It feels good to leave that preposition there at the end, where it belongs.]
>
>
--
Women are the canaries of science. When they are underrepresented
it is a strong indication that non-scientific factors play a role
and the concentration of incorruptible scientists is also too low
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