Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> It seems to combine some AR-type features, I was wondering if it would be  
> possible to make a Doom 3 type game with your surroundings re-skinned in a  
> Doom theme.

This is exactly the kind of niche feature I'm afraid of. It looks to me
that they are spending *way* too much time and effort on the augmented
reality features. And for what? The average user (like me) is not
interested in those features. AR might be fun to play with... for
perhaps a half hour tops. 99.99% of the usage would be for video games
which do not benefit at all from AR. And I don't think I'm the only one
who is like that.

So putting so much effort on the AR capabilities is just a waste of
time which may raise the price of the device for nothing.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote
>
> So putting so much effort on the AR capabilities is just a waste of
> time which may raise the price of the device for nothing.
>

I like both worlds. I personally would like something that can do everything
from e-mail to casual AR games to full-on fps.

And I'm still waiting for a holodeck.

-Nekar

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Am 15.04.2015 um 03:35 schrieb Warp:
> Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> It seems to combine some AR-type features, I was wondering if it would be
>> possible to make a Doom 3 type game with your surroundings re-skinned in a
>> Doom theme.
>
> This is exactly the kind of niche feature I'm afraid of. It looks to me
> that they are spending *way* too much time and effort on the augmented
> reality features. And for what? The average user (like me) is not
> interested in those features.

And you know that you're an average user because...?

Matter of fact, we won't know how many people will be interested in AR 
until it's actually available and has been experimented with.

Then again, AR has taken off years ago already. QR codes have become 
commonplace, for instance. It's strange that people always think of AR 
as being strictly tied to 3D.

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On 2015-04-14 20:35, Warp wrote:
> 99.99% of the usage would be for video games
> which do not benefit at all from AR.

No?  I could see video games benefiting hugely from AR.

(Also, for a look at a possible future of AR, see the anime 'Dennou Coil'.)

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.sjcook.com

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On 2015-04-11 12:51, Warp wrote:
> I'm not interested in using a VR headset as a toy, nor am I interested
> in using it for modeling. I'm interested in using it for playing video
> games.

If you're using it for playing video games, it's a toy.

*ducks*

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.sjcook.com

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On 08/05/2015 08:35, Tim Cook wrote:
> On 2015-04-11 12:51, Warp wrote:
>> I'm not interested in using a VR headset as a toy, nor am I interested
>> in using it for modeling. I'm interested in using it for playing video
>> games.
>
> If you're using it for playing video games, it's a toy.
>

I agree with you. Albeit an expensive toy.

> *ducks*
>

Where?
Bang! Bang!
Yum, yum ;-)

I tried Google Cardboard on my ancient Galaxy S2. A disaster in Elite as 
I cleared my save by mistake. But in a couple of the demos it was 
effective. Not as a 3D viewer because everything was too far away for 
stereoscopic vision. But for placing you in the centre of a 360 degree 
viewpoint it was good.

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Regards
     Stephen

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>> If you're using it for playing video games, it's a toy.
>>
>
> I agree with you. Albeit an expensive toy.

Well if the alternative is to buy a space-ship, plane or car in real 
life (plus all the maintenance costs), then it probably works out quite 
a cheap alternative :-)

> I tried Google Cardboard on my ancient Galaxy S2. A disaster in Elite as
> I cleared my save by mistake. But in a couple of the demos it was
> effective. Not as a 3D viewer because everything was too far away for
> stereoscopic vision. But for placing you in the centre of a 360 degree
> viewpoint it was good.

I see now on YouTube there are 360 degree videos that you can look 
around (use the mouse on a computer, or just move your phone around):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAuhgFQpLo

I don't know whether this works with any VR headset at the moment, but 
can imagine that's the plan.

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On 08/05/2015 10:35, scott wrote:
>>> If you're using it for playing video games, it's a toy.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with you. Albeit an expensive toy.
>
> Well if the alternative is to buy a space-ship, plane or car in real
> life (plus all the maintenance costs), then it probably works out quite
> a cheap alternative :-)
>

And in the case of spaceships, more practical. :-)
But if you were using it in an engineering environment. Like the way I 
saw engineers at Mercedes fit parts together. That would not be a toy.

>> I tried Google Cardboard on my ancient Galaxy S2. A disaster in Elite as
>> I cleared my save by mistake. But in a couple of the demos it was
>> effective. Not as a 3D viewer because everything was too far away for
>> stereoscopic vision. But for placing you in the centre of a 360 degree
>> viewpoint it was good.
>
> I see now on YouTube there are 360 degree videos that you can look
> around (use the mouse on a computer, or just move your phone around):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAuhgFQpLo
>
> I don't know whether this works with any VR headset at the moment, but
> can imagine that's the plan.

I had a look at the video and I don't think that would work with the 
Rift. You need two side by side images taken from a slightly different 
angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlx-ooZv5qA
>


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Regards
     Stephen

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> I had a look at the video and I don't think that would work with the
> Rift. You need two side by side images taken from a slightly different
> angle.

Yes good point. Now there's an engineering challenge. Create a 3D 360 
degree camera :-)

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On 08/05/2015 15:47, scott wrote:
>> I had a look at the video and I don't think that would work with the
>> Rift. You need two side by side images taken from a slightly different
>> angle.
>
> Yes good point. Now there's an engineering challenge. Create a 3D 360
> degree camera :-)
>
>
Without using holograms?
There was an article on the BBC Tech pages, recently. That said there 
was one being developed to scan crime scenes. And there was one about a 
booth that you can walk in and be scanned. Then the image would be 3D 
printed.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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