On 13-7-2018 18:20, Stephen wrote:
> [snip]
> A special mention to Thomas who actually ran the TC-RTC on his own with 
> only a little help from me. Thanks Thomas.
> 
> At least you all will be spared my attempts at humour in the future. :-)
> 
> 

Ah well, do not underestimate your role in the TC-RTC running, Stephen. 
I can rightly say that without your support I would not have lasted 
those ten years. And I shall miss your humour too.

-- 
Thomas

Post a reply to this message

Am 14.07.2018 um 09:00 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 13-7-2018 18:20, Stephen wrote:
>> [snip]
>> A special mention to Thomas who actually ran the TC-RTC on his own
>> with only a little help from me. Thanks Thomas.
>>
>> At least you all will be spared my attempts at humour in the future. :-)
...
> And I shall miss your humour too.

I subscribe to that.

Post a reply to this message

clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 14.07.2018 um 09:00 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> > On 13-7-2018 18:20, Stephen wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >> A special mention to Thomas who actually ran the TC-RTC on his own
> >> with only a little help from me. Thanks Thomas.
> >>
> >> At least you all will be spared my attempts at humour in the future. :-)
> ...
> > And I shall miss your humour too.
>
> I subscribe to that.

Hey Stephen,

It still amazes me that I recognize so many of the names here after 20 years of
dabbling in graphics 😁

I have been helping out since a couple months behind the scenes to get Moray
ready for a public release (at least technically). I do hope that Moray will
eventually be revived after I stopped working on it and passed it to the
POV-Team. I still have been making smaller changes to it since I actually still
use it for modeling my 3D prints.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for your support and fun over the years.

Lutz

Post a reply to this message

On 15/07/2018 05:05, Lutz wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> Am 14.07.2018 um 09:00 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>>> On 13-7-2018 18:20, Stephen wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> A special mention to Thomas who actually ran the TC-RTC on his own
>>>> with only a little help from me. Thanks Thomas.
>>>>
>>>> At least you all will be spared my attempts at humour in the future. :-)
>> ...
>>> And I shall miss your humour too.
>>
>> I subscribe to that.
> 
> Hey Stephen,
> 
> It still amazes me that I recognize so many of the names here after 20 years of
> dabbling in graphics 😁

Not as may as there used to be, I bet.
And good to hear from you again.

> 
> I have been helping out since a couple months behind the scenes to get Moray
> ready for a public release (at least technically). I do hope that Moray will
> eventually be revived after I stopped working on it and passed it to the
> POV-Team. 

You are a tease. ;-)
I have been working in IT since '69 and the thing I dislike most about 
it is the "Don't tell the users anything and they should be grateful for 
what we are willing to give them even if it is not what they really 
want", attitude.
If I had known that there was work on it going on behind the scenes I 
would not have been so hasty coming to my decision. If you can call more 
than 10 years hasty.
Now I am in a state of superposition.

> I still have been making smaller changes to it since I actually still
> use it for modeling my 3D prints.
> 

Any need for an experienced tester? :-)


> Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for your support and fun over the years.
> 

No, thank you for allowing me and many others to use PovRay over the 
years. And the fun comes as part of the package whether wanted or not. ;-)



-- 

Regards
     Stephen

Post a reply to this message

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:13:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>> Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for your support and fun over the
>> years.
>> 
>> 
> No, thank you for allowing me and many others to use PovRay over the
> years. And the fun comes as part of the package whether wanted or not.
> ;-)

Seconded!  Moray got me started working with raytracing, and while I've 
moved platforms now to Linux, I'm certainly interested in looking at if 
it runs under WINE. :)

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

Post a reply to this message

On 16-7-2018 1:34, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:13:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> 
>>> Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for your support and fun over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>> No, thank you for allowing me and many others to use PovRay over the
>> years. And the fun comes as part of the package whether wanted or not.
>> ;-)
> 
> Seconded!  Moray got me started working with raytracing, and while I've
> moved platforms now to Linux, I'm certainly interested in looking at if
> it runs under WINE. :)
> 

And I fully join the chorus!

-- 
Thomas

Post a reply to this message

On 16-7-2018 8:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> 
> And I fully join the chorus!
> 

[maybe I should have said 'the choir'...? Monday morning...]

-- 
Thomas

Post a reply to this message

On 16/07/2018 01:13, Stephen wrote:
> I have been working in IT since '69 and the thing I dislike most about 
> it is the "Don't tell the users anything and they should be grateful for 
> what we are willing to give them even if it is not what they really 
> want", attitude.

The reason we didn't mention anything about it this time is that we've had several
false starts on this over the years and I didn't want to announce we were working on
it and then find a road-blocker that leaves everyone hanging. Hence I was waiting
until we actually had it working before saying anything.

The difference this time is Lutz is actively working on it which helps a lot (thanks
Lutz!:). It doesn't have direct integration with POV-Ray right now, but I will work on
that.

I think then it's safe to say that it's 100% certain that we will re-release Moray
this year, at least for Windows.

As it's MFC-based porting it to other platforms is another target but will require a
rip-out and replace of the MFC side of things (probably to QT). This is not trivial as
there's several hundred dialogs that need to be replaced with native QT ones. In the
meantime though, for Linux users, provided the required OpenGL support is present it
should work under Wine.

If/when we can get it ported to use a cross-platform widget library I suspect the
broader open-source community may be of assistance in improving it, particularly as it
can do STL editing.

-- Chris

Post a reply to this message

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 02:52:56 +1000, Chris Cason wrote:

>  In the meantime though, for Linux users,
> provided the required OpenGL support is present it should work under
> Wine.

That's excellent news, Chris.  Thanks for this update!



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

Post a reply to this message

On 16/07/2018 17:52, Chris Cason wrote:
> On 16/07/2018 01:13, Stephen wrote:
>> I have been working in IT since '69 and the thing I dislike most about
>> it is the "Don't tell the users anything and they should be grateful for
>> what we are willing to give them even if it is not what they really
>> want", attitude.
> 
> The reason we didn't mention anything about it this time is that we've had several
false starts on this over the years and I didn't want to announce we were working on
it and then find a road-blocker that leaves everyone hanging. Hence I was waiting
until we actually had it working before saying anything.
> 

Good on ya, mate


> The difference this time is Lutz is actively working on it which helps a lot (thanks
Lutz!:). It doesn't have direct integration with POV-Ray right now, but I will work on
that.
> 
> I think then it's safe to say that it's 100% certain that we will re-release Moray
this year, at least for Windows.
> 

Betterer and betterer

> As it's MFC-based porting it to other platforms is another target but will require a
rip-out and replace of the MFC side of things (probably to QT). This is not trivial as
there's several hundred dialogs that need to be replaced with native QT ones. In the
meantime though, for Linux users, provided the required OpenGL support is present it
should work under Wine.
> 
> If/when we can get it ported to use a cross-platform widget library I suspect the
broader open-source community may be of assistance in improving it, particularly as it
can do STL editing.
> 


Did you mean SDL?
Hmm, interesting whatever.



-- 

Regards
     Stephen

Post a reply to this message