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Am 2017-03-17 12:48, also sprach Stephen:
> On 3/17/2017 4:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>> That cuts both ways. There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it
>> might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly
>> offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation;
>> and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
>> (I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their
>> entire lives.)
>>
>
> I blame the Americans who turned a cheap children's diversion into a
> money making racket.
> When I was a kid you got nuts and fruit for performing a party trick.
>
> Not for demanding money with menace.
Are you referencing Halloween specifically?
I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
We totally distrusted government (Nixon!) and now are totally fine with
government surveillance and F-15s buzzing the CT coastline because "they
are keeping us safe". Me: "Wtf?!? Safe from what!?"
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On 3/17/2017 6:26 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-03-17 12:48, also sprach Stephen:
>>>
>>
>> I blame the Americans who turned a cheap children's diversion into a
>> money making racket.
>> When I was a kid you got nuts and fruit for performing a party trick.
>>
>> Not for demanding money with menace.
>
> Are you referencing Halloween specifically?
>
Yes Halloween specifically. And maybe Christmas and Easter and... ;)
> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
Same here. I have a decade on you. In the 70s the world was getting
better and by the 80's the rot set in. At least here in the UK. Greed
was the order of the day. The family silver silver sold of to the
friends of the politicians. Grr! I must take another beta blocker. ;)
>
> We totally distrusted government (Nixon!) and now are totally fine with
> government surveillance and F-15s buzzing the CT coastline because "they
> are keeping us safe". Me: "Wtf?!? Safe from what!?"
>
Thinking about how to things properly?
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 3/17/2017 12:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
> chaos may prevent total disaster. Pence actually has government
> experience and could streamline that.
>
Pence has experience in almost losing his governorship. If Trump hadn't
chosen him as VP he would have been out of a job.
Mike
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Am 2017-03-17 16:50, also sprach Mike Horvath:
> On 3/17/2017 12:07 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
>> chaos may prevent total disaster. Pence actually has government
>> experience and could streamline that.
>>
>
> Pence has experience in almost losing his governorship. If Trump hadn't
> chosen him as VP he would have been out of a job.
And that means as much as does being a pussy grabbing, fantastic lying
narcissist. He is entering the Golden Era of his career. He will get
backing from national leadership for any crazy thing he may come up with.
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:07:22 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-03-17 11:16, also sprach Jim Henderson:
>
>
>> I'm leaning slightly more towards medical, though he is losing the
>> right here as well now, and they have a 'darling' in Pence who will do
>> as he's told -
>
> I was gonna say, Pence scares me more than Donald. At least the Drumpf's
> chaos may prevent total disaster. Pence actually has government
> experience and could streamline that.
Pence doesn't have temper tantrums on Twitter and the nuclear codes.
While there's a lot about Pence to dislike, at least he doesn't have the
temperament of a 5-year-old and his finger on the button.
Baby Groot with that kind of power is funny. Trump with that power is
anything but.
>> and who has strong conservative credentials (anti-gay, anti-
>> legalization, anti-church/state separation).
>
> I like popping brain cells in my conservative friends by pointing out
> that pro-gay is a conservative PoV. It's individual liberty and it
> doesn't affect you at all.
Indeed. Same thing with legalization of marijuana (and other drugs, for
that matter).
>> Many on the right love that shit. It's all about personal freedom so
>> long as it's stuff they like.
>
> That cuts both ways. There was a Yale professor who wrote that maybe it
> might be ok to wear a Halloween costume that may be considered mildly
> offensive, and the snowflakes were not interested in the conversation;
> and ran her, and her husband, out of town.
> (I blame the parents, who have completely sheltered these kids their
> entire lives.)
I kinda agree. Cultural appropriation is something to be aware of, but
the 'melting pot' that is the US means that we blend stuff together - and
as Bill Maher pointed out a few weeks ago, we need to stop apologizing on
the left for 'stupid shit'. I don't always agree with Maher, and he gets
a lot of things wrong (such as his stance on the first amendment - it's
colored by being pushed off the air with "Politically Incorrect" after
people boycotted advertisers - he doesn't understand that the boycott
*was* a first amendment expression relating to freedom of association.
The first amendment doesn't give him the right to an audience or the
right to a TV show - or the right to social consequences for saying
things people don't like), but I do like that he says what he wants to
say, and doesn't care what people think. Sometimes he's a schmuck when
he does that. A lot of times he's not.
>> Otherwise, let the state crack down on it hard.
>
> And then blame Obama/Clinton/Clinton for making it this way.
Naturally; it's never *their* fault.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was talking
to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up not far
from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time - remembering that
during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our bikes to school,
even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today, parents are
sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids that kind of
freedom.
It's fucking stupid.
How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for an
entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that are
really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a winner
- and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and get fired
for it. How do you cope with something like that if you never learned as
a kid how to?
Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
of people - probably before shooting themselves.
It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone needs
to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a great
teacher.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
> fantastic lying narcissist
Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't give
a shit.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>
>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim
>> ;)
>>
>>
> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
> in blue.
Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
overweight ninja.
Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/19/2017 6:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>>
>>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>>
>>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
>> in blue.
>
> Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
> overweight ninja.
>
Hollywood myth. Black is the colour of stagehands in Noh theatre. It is
a convention that you do not see anyone dressed in black.
> Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
>
Probably set off by your blue blood. ;
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Stephen
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On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>
>> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
>> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
>> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
>
> Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was talking
> to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up not far
> from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time - remembering that
> during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our bikes to school,
> even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today, parents are
> sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids that kind of
> freedom.
>
> It's fucking stupid.
>
It's not just stupid it is unkind. For the reasons you mention.
I used to walk the two miles to school when the weather permitted.
Otherwise I had to take two buses which took as long as walking. The
upside was that I would have saved half a crown, 2/6 or or 12·5p.
> How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
> allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for an
> entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that are
> really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a winner
> - and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and get fired
> for it. How do you cope with something like that if you never learned as
> a kid how to?
>
I agree with that too.
Life is no bed of roses.
> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
> of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>
If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be non
events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own family
before killing themselves.
> It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone needs
> to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a great
> teacher.
>
Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
syllabuses?
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Regards
Stephen
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