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OK so John mentioned having a sense humor as being helpful during his
recent battle ... what about sarcasm? I'm not talking about mean
spiteful comments but something a bit more benign. In a recent
conversation with a friend she was lamenting about her current life
situation and how things seemed like they would never change. Repeating
the same mistakes is the reoccurring theme here ... My response was "So
hows that been working out for you ... I mean how many times do you need
to pick up a hot brick before you realize that it's hot!" It seems like
healthy self assured people usually accept it better than those with a
fragile personality. BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
(and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
bitter person.
Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
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On 1-6-2016 13:11, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> snip]
> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
> bitter person.
I disagree with the consensus. Sarcasm, irony, are tools to tackle the
world in a combative way. In my view it should not be destructive but
constructive in the end. It can be a mirror of reality that helps to
cope with it.
>
> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
Where I worked, sarcasm and irony were widely used as a group process.
It helped to decrease tensions and, from there, to view things in a
better perspective and come with better solutions. But initially, it
always was a means to reduce tension, aggressiveness, helplessness,
especially in periods of institute changes or hierarchic fencing.
--
Thomas
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On 6/1/2016 7:29 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 1-6-2016 13:11, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> snip]
>> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
>> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
>> bitter person.
>
> I disagree with the consensus. Sarcasm, irony, are tools to tackle the
> world in a combative way. In my view it should not be destructive but
> constructive in the end. It can be a mirror of reality that helps to
> cope with it.
>
>>
>> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
>
> Where I worked, sarcasm and irony were widely used as a group process.
> It helped to decrease tensions and, from there, to view things in a
> better perspective and come with better solutions. But initially, it
> always was a means to reduce tension, aggressiveness, helplessness,
> especially in periods of institute changes or hierarchic fencing.
>
thanks for that bit of validation ... couldn't have said it better
myself. it would seem that sarcasm /can/ be used as a form of humor
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Am 01.06.2016 um 13:11 schrieb Jim Holsenback:
> OK so John mentioned having a sense humor as being helpful during his
> recent battle ... what about sarcasm? I'm not talking about mean
> spiteful comments but something a bit more benign. In a recent
> conversation with a friend she was lamenting about her current life
> situation and how things seemed like they would never change. Repeating
> the same mistakes is the reoccurring theme here ... My response was "So
> hows that been working out for you ... I mean how many times do you need
> to pick up a hot brick before you realize that it's hot!" It seems like
> healthy self assured people usually accept it better than those with a
> fragile personality.
When dealing with people with a healthy self-esteem, addressing their
weaknesses with any kind of humor is fair game.
When dealing with people with damaged self-esteem, I'd strongly advocate
avoiding that, as they'll inevitably interpret it as being made fun of,
thus damaging their self-esteem even more.
That said, I wouldn't necessarily consider your response to be sarcasm
in the strict sense, though I'm at a loss for a better term.
"Witticism", maybe?
> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
> bitter person.
I'd say sarcasm can be an expression of cynicism, but isn't necessarily.
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"snarky"
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On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
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> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
It is often said in Britain that Americans don't do irony.
Sarcasm is meant to be hurtful whilst irony is saying the opposite of
what you really mean for effect or humour. Which mixed in with the
"graveyard humour" that some professions and people have can be quite
shocking to people not used to it.
As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
your case.
I would not take offence.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 2016-06-01 07:11, also sprach Jim Holsenback:
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> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sarcasm+as+a+sign+of+intelligence
--
dik
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On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
> your case.
hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
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On 6/1/2016 10:15 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> "snarky"
>
that's the one that my friend used ... /had/ to beg to differ as i
wasn't trying to be critical
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On 6/1/2016 8:40 AM, clipka wrote:
> I'd say sarcasm can be an expression of cynicism, but isn't necessarily.
had to think about that for a moment ... given the other responses i'm
guessing delivery and audience are import factors to consider as well
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