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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Here be dragons!
Date: 31 Oct 2015 16:48:28
Message: <5635291c$1@news.povray.org>
So it's 9PM on a Saturday night, and I'm reading the Dragon Book. So 
there's that.

(I didn't actually intend to; I just did a Google search, and started 
reading a PDF. I only just realised it's the Dragon Book...)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 31 Oct 2015 17:04:12
Message: <56352ccc$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/31/2015 8:48 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> So it's 9PM on a Saturday night, and I'm reading the Dragon Book. So
> there's that.
>
> (I didn't actually intend to; I just did a Google search, and started
> reading a PDF. I only just realised it's the Dragon Book...)

Which colour of dragon?

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 31 Oct 2015 17:08:23
Message: <56352dc7$1@news.povray.org>
On 31/10/2015 09:04 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 10/31/2015 8:48 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> So it's 9PM on a Saturday night, and I'm reading the Dragon Book. So
>> there's that.
>>
>> (I didn't actually intend to; I just did a Google search, and started
>> reading a PDF. I only just realised it's the Dragon Book...)
>
> Which colour of dragon?

Can't tell; the PDF only contains chapter 8.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 03:01:53
Message: <5635c6f1$1@news.povray.org>
On 31-10-2015 22:08, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 31/10/2015 09:04 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 10/31/2015 8:48 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> So it's 9PM on a Saturday night, and I'm reading the Dragon Book. So
>>> there's that.
>>>
>>> (I didn't actually intend to; I just did a Google search, and started
>>> reading a PDF. I only just realised it's the Dragon Book...)
>>
>> Which colour of dragon?
>
> Can't tell; the PDF only contains chapter 8.

Really? This:
http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbkb/lehre/ccfl/Material/ALSUdragonbook.pdf
seems to have it all.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 04:03:25
Message: <5635d55d$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/11/2015 08:01 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 31-10-2015 22:08, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> On 31/10/2015 09:04 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>> Which colour of dragon?
>>
>> Can't tell; the PDF only contains chapter 8.
>
> Really? This:
> http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbkb/lehre/ccfl/Material/ALSUdragonbook.pdf
>
> seems to have it all.

The URL that Google gave me was

http://dragonbook.stanford.edu/lecture-notes/Stanford-CS143/08-Bottom-Up-Parsing.pdf

If you move up a folder, it seems to have other chapters too. But I 
still don't know which version of the book it is. (Or why it's legal to 
put it on the web like this...)


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 04:13:14
Message: <5635d7aa$1@news.povray.org>
On 1-11-2015 10:03, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 01/11/2015 08:01 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 31-10-2015 22:08, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2015 09:04 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Which colour of dragon?
>>>
>>> Can't tell; the PDF only contains chapter 8.
>>
>> Really? This:
>> http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbkb/lehre/ccfl/Material/ALSUdragonbook.pdf
>>
>>
>> seems to have it all.
>
> The URL that Google gave me was
>
> http://dragonbook.stanford.edu/lecture-notes/Stanford-CS143/08-Bottom-Up-Parsing.pdf
>
>
> If you move up a folder, it seems to have other chapters too. But I
> still don't know which version of the book it is. (Or why it's legal to
> put it on the web like this...)

The version I found on Google says 'Second Edition' which seems to be 
1986 ("The Purple Dragon Book").

It looks like the universities (Bremen, Stanford) put it online for 
their students, but why it has gone public is strange, except if the 
author has accepted to have the book in both forms. I know of at least 
one other example where this is the case indeed (a study book of Old 
English grammar).

-- 
Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 04:36:13
Message: <5635dd0d$1@news.povray.org>
On 11/1/2015 9:13 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 1-11-2015 10:03, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>> If you move up a folder, it seems to have other chapters too. But I
>> still don't know which version of the book it is. (Or why it's legal to
>> put it on the web like this...)
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.

> The version I found on Google says 'Second Edition' which seems to be
> 1986 ("The Purple Dragon Book").
>
> It looks like the universities (Bremen, Stanford) put it online for
> their students, but why it has gone public is strange, except if the
> author has accepted to have the book in both forms. I know of at least
> one other example where this is the case indeed (a study book of Old
> English grammar).
>

Interesting, do you have a link?
I have an original Old English grammar book from the 18th (?) Century. I 
don't have it to hand but the font is one of those that has the letter 
"s" looks like a "f" when it is inside the word. It also said that there 
were only two tenses, present and past. IIRC

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 04:53:23
Message: <5635e113$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/11/2015 09:36 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/1/2015 9:13 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 1-11-2015 10:03, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>>> If you move up a folder, it seems to have other chapters too. But I
>>> still don't know which version of the book it is. (Or why it's legal to
>>> put it on the web like this...)
>>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.

Oh sure, if it's on the web, it's perfectly legal for Google to index 
it. My point was more how it got to be on the public web in the first 
place...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 05:02:31
Message: <5635e337$1@news.povray.org>
On 11/1/2015 9:53 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 01/11/2015 09:36 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 11/1/2015 9:13 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 1-11-2015 10:03, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>>>> If you move up a folder, it seems to have other chapters too. But I
>>>> still don't know which version of the book it is. (Or why it's legal to
>>>> put it on the web like this...)
>>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.
>
> Oh sure, if it's on the web, it's perfectly legal for Google to index
> it. My point was more how it got to be on the public web in the first
> place...

The link you gave is Stanford University's own site. It is a handout for 
their students. Stanford University does that. Several years ago I 
downloaded MoCap files that they made public for a course they were 
running. You will probably find that it is removed when the course is over.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Here be dragons!
Date: 1 Nov 2015 07:32:53
Message: <56360675@news.povray.org>
On 1-11-2015 10:36, Stephen wrote:
> Interesting, do you have a link?
> I have an original Old English grammar book from the 18th (?) Century. I
> don't have it to hand but the font is one of those that has the letter
> "s" looks like a "f" when it is inside the word. It also said that there
> were only two tenses, present and past. IIRC
>
https://web.archive.org/web/20150907011523/https://wmich.edu/medieval/resources/IOE/index.html

Not a pdf I am afraid but well usable. I found it recently when I got 
interested in Old English after reading the Beowulf translation by 
J.R.R. Tolkien. Interestingly, I found that there are a lot of O.E. 
words and sentence constructions that are similar to Dutch or Frisian 
(and German no doubt). Not so surprising as the language was spoken on 
both sides of the North Sea.

-- 
Thomas


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