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On 07/01/15 21:12, FractRacer wrote:
> Charlie is dead, long live Charlie.
> Freedom of speech was hurt this day in France.
> Rest in peace.

Nous sommes tous Charlie

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FractRacer <lg.### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Charlie is dead, long live Charlie.
> Freedom of speech was hurt this day in France.
> Rest in peace.

Why do Islam extremists commit acts of terrorism? Because it works.

We are scared shitless, and we are too afraid of retaliation. Most people
heavily condemn satire and mockery of anything related to Islam (while all
other religions are pretty much ok to mock). In fact, many governments
condemn it, and many even have outlawed it (including my country). All
this at the expense of one of the fundamental tenets of a free society:
Freedom of speech.

Even if these people and these governments pay lip service to the notion
that they are protecting all religions equally from mockery and satire,
in practice Islam has a distinctly special position. Nobody cares if
someone makes satire of Christianity, Scientology, Buddhism, or anything
like that. However, do the same for Islam, and the shit will immediately
hit the fan. Because Islam is special among all other religions.

And the reason for this? The terrorism. It works. It has scared us shitless.
It has inflicted terror upon us, which is precisely its goal. The
terrorists have won, and are continuously winning. 

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> FractRacer <lg.### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Charlie is dead, long live Charlie.
>> Freedom of speech was hurt this day in France.
>> Rest in peace.
>
> Why do Islam extremists commit acts of terrorism? Because it works.
>
> We are scared shitless, and we are too afraid of retaliation. Most people
> heavily condemn satire and mockery of anything related to Islam (while all
> other religions are pretty much ok to mock). In fact, many governments
> condemn it, and many even have outlawed it (including my country). All
> this at the expense of one of the fundamental tenets of a free society:
> Freedom of speech.
>
> Even if these people and these governments pay lip service to the notion
> that they are protecting all religions equally from mockery and satire,
> in practice Islam has a distinctly special position. Nobody cares if
> someone makes satire of Christianity, Scientology, Buddhism, or anything
> like that. However, do the same for Islam, and the shit will immediately
> hit the fan. Because Islam is special among all other religions.
>
> And the reason for this? The terrorism. It works. It has scared us shitless.
> It has inflicted terror upon us, which is precisely its goal. The
> terrorists have won, and are continuously winning.
>

In France one religion cannot really be mock (except by his member), the 
jewish religion, if you mock this religion you are declared anti-semite. 
It is an intellectual terrorism, without deaths.
We, frenchies, don't want to accept the law of terrorism. I only hope 
that all the french people will stay calm and do not make ba amalgams 
with all the french musulmans and the terrorists.

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On 08/01/2015 06:19 PM, Warp wrote:
> Why do Islam extremists commit acts of terrorism? Because it works.

And yet, it seems every time this happens, a long list of Islamic people 
denounce how such acts "defy every tenant of Islam". Much like how 
Christianity supposedly calls for peace, tolerance and acceptance, and 
yet there have been plenty of bloody wars in the name of the Christian God.

I suppose it's a bit like how the British Nutter Party claim that us 
Britons want all the foreign people deported - when in reality, most 
actual Britons probably just want the BNP deported.

Ass a true follower of Islam, it must be really saddening when you see 
some bunch of nutters do something insane in the name of your own 
religion...

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 08:20:17 +0000, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 08/01/2015 06:19 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Why do Islam extremists commit acts of terrorism? Because it works.
> 
> And yet, it seems every time this happens, a long list of Islamic people
> denounce how such acts "defy every tenant of Islam". Much like how
> Christianity supposedly calls for peace, tolerance and acceptance, and
> yet there have been plenty of bloody wars in the name of the Christian
> God.

But also every time this happens, non-Muslims call on Muslims everywhere 
to denounce the act, pushing the notion that if you don't, you must 
approve of it.

At the same time, though, we don't feel the need to apologise to that 
part of the world for every drone strike gone wrong - an act of 
destruction that's perpetrated by a few who claim to be "speaking" on 
behalf of many.

> I suppose it's a bit like how the British Nutter Party claim that us
> Britons want all the foreign people deported - when in reality, most
> actual Britons probably just want the BNP deported.

I'm going to have to remember that definition of "BNP".  That's a good 
one. :)

> Ass a true follower of Islam, it must be really saddening when you see
> some bunch of nutters do something insane in the name of your own
> religion...

I imagine so.

Jim

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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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in news:54b00564$1@news.povray.org Jim Henderson wrote:

> we don't feel the need to apologise


on youtube) and apologize to ... maybe you neighbour.

Ingo

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> At the same time, though, we don't feel the need to apologise to that
> part of the world for every drone strike gone wrong - an act of
> destruction that's perpetrated by a few who claim to be "speaking" on
> behalf of many.

And that, I guess, is what all this is really about. It's not about 
religion, it's about "you killed my family so now I'm going to kill yours".

How exactly Islam came to be the bad guy... That I don't have the 
historical perspective to answer.

> I'm going to have to remember that definition of "BNP".  That's a good
> one. :)

What did you *think* it stands for? :-P

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On 10/01/2015 10:21, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> How exactly Islam came to be the bad guy... That I don't have the
> historical perspective to answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors#Moors_of_Iberia

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

For starters


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On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:45:16 -0500, ingo wrote:

> in news:54b00564$1@news.povray.org Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> we don't feel the need to apologise
> 
> Günter Wallraff, (re)read his works and watch his movies (some of them
> are on youtube) and apologize to ... maybe you neighbour.

Well, I wasn't saying *I* don't.  I was making the point that there are 
large groups of people in the US who want every Muslim on the planet to 
apologise for the extremists who say they follow Islam, but at the same 
time, those same people don't think they owe anyone an apology of a 
similar sort for the terrible things done by people who say they act on 
their behalf.

It's a very self-centered view of the world, where the "self" isn't 
responsible for anything other people do, but everyone else is 
responsible for the things others do.

Jim


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