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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 9 Oct 2014 16:25:31
Message: <5436ef3b$1@news.povray.org>
> my experience exactly
>
> hate updates.  IMHO, they're just sales tactics to get you to buy newer,
> "faster" hardware now that they updated your old hardware into complete junk by
> making it run far more "optimizations" than it can deal with...

I am currently employed full-time to write these "updates".

You know we actually spend all day, every day, trying to actually 
improve our product?

Sadly, sometimes you try to improve the product and end up actually 
making it worse. For example, we deleted a load of crufty old code and 
replaced it with a single, streamlined class which is far smaller, 
simpler, easier to test, etc. Unfortunately, it also exposed a Linux 
kernel bug whereby our product can't read HFS+ filesystems anymore. :-S

I assure you, we didn't break HFS+ support on purpose! Indeed, a few 
kernel updates later, and it's working again. It's weird like that 
sometimes...

OTOH, I've seen updates where you seriously have to wonder if the 
manufacturer is actually trying to make you stop using the product. 
(E.g., why does Windows 8 exist?)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 9 Oct 2014 17:15:01
Message: <web.5436fa5ffd38f15352a052d0@news.povray.org>
Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I assure you, we didn't break HFS+ support on purpose! Indeed, a few
> kernel updates later, and it's working again. It's weird like that
> sometimes...

oh my

andrew is involved in android updates! o_0

that explains a lot jk


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 08:16:03
Message: <5437ce03$1@news.povray.org>
> Sadly, sometimes you try to improve the product and end up actually
> making it worse. For example, we deleted a load of crufty old code and
> replaced it with a single, streamlined class which is far smaller,
> simpler, easier to test, etc. Unfortunately, it also exposed a Linux
> kernel bug whereby our product can't read HFS+ filesystems anymore. :-S

But of course that came up in testing before you released the update... ;-)

I assume the issue with Android is that it is expected to run on 1000 
different combinations of hardware and it would be impractical to 
thoroughly test on all the devices, especially the ones that haven't 
been on sale for a few years.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 11:25:24
Message: <5437fa64$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/10/14 21:25, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> 
> I am currently employed full-time to write these "updates".
> 

So now we know who to blame ;-)

> You know we actually spend all day, every day, trying to actually
> improve our product?
> 

Really?

<snip>

> OTOH, I've seen updates where you seriously have to wonder if the
> manufacturer is actually trying to make you stop using the product.
> (E.g., why does Windows 8 exist?)

... A good question.
5000 words on the subject by our next tutorial, please ... and that
includes you two, Henderson and Macavoy.

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 12:53:51
Message: <54380f1f$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/10/2014 16:25, Doctor John wrote:
> On 09/10/14 21:25, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>> I am currently employed full-time to write these "updates".
>>
>
> So now we know who to blame ;-)
>
>> You know we actually spend all day, every day, trying to actually
>> improve our product?
>>
>
> Really?
>
> <snip>
>
>> OTOH, I've seen updates where you seriously have to wonder if the
>> manufacturer is actually trying to make you stop using the product.
>> (E.g., why does Windows 8 exist?)
>

It exists to drive people to Windows 10.

(I hate it!
)^2.125401807


> .... A good question.
> 5000 words on the subject by our next tutorial, please ... and that
> includes you two, Henderson and Macavoy.
>

Yes dear doctor. And a quicker response if you spell my name correctly. 
The Mac is abbreviated and the "a" is capitalised as all proper names 
are in English. :-P


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 13:03:19
Message: <54381157@news.povray.org>
On 10/10/14 17:53, Stephen wrote:
> 
> Yes dear doctor. And a quicker response if you spell my name correctly.
> The Mac is abbreviated and the "a" is capitalised as all proper names
> are in English. :-P
> 

Sorry. Slip of the fingers
... but, for answering back, you will provide 10,000 words by tomorrow.

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 13:37:08
Message: <54381944$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/10/2014 18:03, Doctor John wrote:
> Sorry. Slip of the fingers

Accepted :-)

> ... but, for answering back, you will provide 10,000 words by tomorrow.

Yer bum's oot the windie.

Old chum. ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 15:27:41
Message: <5438332d$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/10/2014 01:16 PM, scott wrote:
>> Sadly, sometimes you try to improve the product and end up actually
>> making it worse. For example, we deleted a load of crufty old code and
>> replaced it with a single, streamlined class which is far smaller,
>> simpler, easier to test, etc. Unfortunately, it also exposed a Linux
>> kernel bug whereby our product can't read HFS+ filesystems anymore. :-S
>
> But of course that came up in testing before you released the update... ;-)

Naturally.

> I assume the issue with Android is that it is expected to run on 1000
> different combinations of hardware and it would be impractical to
> thoroughly test on all the devices, especially the ones that haven't
> been on sale for a few years.

We recently moved our product from only working on hardware supplied by 
us, to working on ANY arbitrary PC that meets the minimum specifications.

This causes an explosion of possible test combinations. And the entire 
company is 10 people. Oh, did I mention we have no money? We can't 

assortment of PCs to test the product on...

...I guess that makes the customer the beta tester? :-S


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 15:47:16
Message: <543837c4@news.povray.org>
On 10/10/2014 20:27, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> ...I guess that makes the customer the beta tester? :-S

The name of the game. :-(

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Don't update
Date: 10 Oct 2014 23:27:23
Message: <5438a39b$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:25:24 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> ... A good question.
> 5000 words on the subject by our next tutorial, please ... and that
> includes you two, Henderson and Macavoy.

(Because.) * 5000



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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