On 24/09/2014 08:12, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 23-9-2014 20:57, Stephen wrote:
>> On 23/09/2014 15:57, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>> most
>>>>> to be feared
>>>>
>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>> feared.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>
>>
>> And that is the one that all Fundamentalists believe in.
>
> Yes. Now that you mentioned this, I sincerely wonder what the position
> of the devil can be for them. Is there a place for him? Recalling Salem,
> I suppose there is.
>

As a big stick.

>>
>>> And still it seems to me, the devil is more to be feared because he will
>>> drive you under that baleful stare. Devil and God allied together to
>>> bring down the flock and make them meek.
>>>
>>
>> Keep them in their place? Kowtowing to the priests?
>
> Not /priests/ sir! Those are the minions of the Babylon whore who sits
> in Rome!
>

LOL the attitude in Ulster and Scotland.
It must be something to do with the House of Orange. ;-)

> But yes, I think there certainly is power play involved.
>

Too true.



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On 24-9-2014 9:47, Stephen wrote:
> On 24/09/2014 08:12, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 23-9-2014 20:57, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 23/09/2014 15:57, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> to be feared
>>>>>
>>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>>> feared.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> And that is the one that all Fundamentalists believe in.
>>
>> Yes. Now that you mentioned this, I sincerely wonder what the position
>> of the devil can be for them. Is there a place for him? Recalling Salem,
>> I suppose there is.
>>
>
> As a big stick.

Ouch! That hurts! ;-)

>
>>>
>>>> And still it seems to me, the devil is more to be feared because he
>>>> will
>>>> drive you under that baleful stare. Devil and God allied together to
>>>> bring down the flock and make them meek.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Keep them in their place? Kowtowing to the priests?
>>
>> Not /priests/ sir! Those are the minions of the Babylon whore who sits
>> in Rome!
>>
>
> LOL the attitude in Ulster and Scotland.
> It must be something to do with the House of Orange. ;-)

Truth is that the House of Orange has become very discreet where 
religion is concerned but then we are talking about a different Orange 
when in Ulster or Scotland...

Thomas

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On 24/09/2014 09:07, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> As a big stick.
>
> Ouch! That hurts! ;-)
>
>>

As it is meant to.


>>
>> LOL the attitude in Ulster and Scotland.
>> It must be something to do with the House of Orange. ;-)
>
> Truth is that the House of Orange has become very discreet where
> religion is concerned but then we are talking about a different Orange
> when in Ulster or Scotland...

Nope! The same House of Orange.
It takes its name from King Billy (Willem III prince of the House of 
Orange, later William III of Great Britain) during the Glorious Revolution.

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     Stephen

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On 24-9-2014 11:19, Stephen wrote:
> Nope! The same House of Orange.
> It takes its name from King Billy (Willem III prince of the House of
> Orange, later William III of Great Britain) during the Glorious Revolution.
>

Sorry, I did not made myself clear. The same /house/ indeed, but the 
orangist idea in Ulster and Scotland is light years away from what the 
house represents nowadays in its home country, and over the last century 
its religious identity so to speak has become increasingly liberal to 
the point that the present queen consort is not a protestant and - if I 
am correct - was not asked to become one.

Thomas

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On 24/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 24-9-2014 11:19, Stephen wrote:
>> Nope! The same House of Orange.
>> It takes its name from King Billy (Willem III prince of the House of
>> Orange, later William III of Great Britain) during the Glorious
>> Revolution.
>>
>
> Sorry, I did not made myself clear. The same /house/ indeed, but the
> orangist idea in Ulster and Scotland is light years away from what the
> house represents nowadays in its home country, and over the last century
> its religious identity so to speak has become increasingly liberal to
> the point that the present queen consort is not a protestant and - if I
> am correct - was not asked to become one.
>

You did make yourself clear, Thomas.
But someone need to take the blame. ;-)


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On 24-9-2014 14:11, Stephen wrote:
> You did make yourself clear, Thomas.
> But someone need to take the blame. ;-)
>
>

Oh right! Did I tell you about the day I thought I stepped on a sand 
hump, which proved to be cow dung?  :-D

Thomas

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On 24/09/2014 15:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 24-9-2014 14:11, Stephen wrote:
>> You did make yourself clear, Thomas.
>> But someone need to take the blame. ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Oh right! Did I tell you about the day I thought I stepped on a sand
> hump, which proved to be cow dung?  :-D
>

No but it reminds me of the urban myth we had when I was a child.
It was a bit like knocking the door and running away. The twist was that 
you put some dog droppings in a paper bag outside someone's door, set 
fire to it, knock the door and run away.
The idea was that the householder would come to the door in his slippers 
see the fire and stamp on it to put the flames out.
For certain age groups that was very funny.
My next door neighbour's granddaughter has not heard about the paper bag 
thing.
Cheeky little beasom. ;-)

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     Stephen

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On 24-9-2014 16:39, Stephen wrote:
>> Oh right! Did I tell you about the day I thought I stepped on a sand
>> hump, which proved to be cow dung?  :-D
>>
>
> No but it reminds me of the urban myth we had when I was a child.
> It was a bit like knocking the door and running away. The twist was that
> you put some dog droppings in a paper bag outside someone's door, set
> fire to it, knock the door and run away.
> The idea was that the householder would come to the door in his slippers
> see the fire and stamp on it to put the flames out.
> For certain age groups that was very funny.
> My next door neighbour's granddaughter has not heard about the paper bag
> thing.
> Cheeky little beasom. ;-)
>

LOL

Schadenfreude indeed when it happens. I was on fieldwork with a 
colleague and we had to cross a barbed wire fence. I thought that sand 
hump on the other side very convenient to put my foot on and help me 
over. The season was dry and sand had been blown over a dung heap put 
there by the farmer. My colleague was literally rolling over the ground 
laughing seeing me soiled up to my knee. My own laugh was rather 
sheepish... :-)

Thomas

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On 24/09/2014 16:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Schadenfreude indeed when it happens. I was on fieldwork with a
> colleague and we had to cross a barbed wire fence. I thought that sand
> hump on the other side very convenient to put my foot on and help me
> over. The season was dry and sand had been blown over a dung heap put
> there by the farmer. My colleague was literally rolling over the ground
> laughing seeing me soiled up to my knee. My own laugh was rather
> sheepish... :-)

LOL
And that reminds me of...

No, enough is enough. You win. :-)

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On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity most
>>> to be feared
>>
>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be feared.
>> ;-)
>>
>>
> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>
I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If 
there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and 
god where different entities.

-- 
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any 
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get 
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."

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