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On 19-1-2014 19:26, clipka wrote:
> Am 19.01.2014 17:49, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>
>>>> Your use of punctuation is beautiful to watch.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice one, Warp.
>>>
>>> John
>> Who gives a frak about that. Oh, ever so sorry. Which centuries
>> punctuation would you like? How about spelling? What does it bloody
>> matter, other than that some people insist on being purists, instead of
>> just paying attention to the bloody content.
>
> Well, I for one do. Seriously, Patrick, your grammar tends to be so
> convoluted that it is frequently difficult - and sometimes impossible -
> for me to follow.
>
> This isn't about purism. It's ok to be lax about punctuation and grammar
> if it doesn't hamper communication. But in your case it seriously does.
>
> Feel free to not give a bloody frak about punctuation and grammar if you
> don't give a bloody frak about whether people actually give a bloody
> frak about reading your bloody postings. But then I wonder why you even
> give a bloody frak about bloody posting them in the first place.
excuse me gentlemen, what is a 'frak'?
--
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.
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Am 19.01.2014 19:33, schrieb andrel:
> excuse me gentlemen, what is a 'frak'?
It is whatever you may assume it is ;-)
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On 14/01/14 02:14, Doctor John wrote:
> So, some years ago I was a member of Mensa and I would guess that a
> large majority of this forum would also qualify (top 2% of the population).
> For no apparent reason I have decided to rejoin. I left the society
> purely because I found most members to have their noses stuck firmly up
> their own fundaments.
> Am I insane? Or is it because I wish to revive the SIG called Thick As A
> Brick?
>
> John (thinking about loud music and strong liquor)
>
I withdraw from this thread because, unwittingly, I seem to have stirred
up a wasps nest.
No further comment
John
--
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> On 1/19/2014 3:23 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> > On 18/01/2014 23:54, Warp wrote:
> >> Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >>> BTW - crosswords are something I hate,
> >>> because they, frankly, often reference what, for anyone that doesn't do
> >>> crosswords, are often obscure, or, among the general public, uncommon,
> >>> references, when/if they don't just stuff something in that involves
> >>> celebrities, or some other obscura, which no one, other than people
> >>> obsessed with crosswords, or "popular culture" would give a damn about.
> >>
> >> Your use of punctuation is beautiful to watch.
> >>
> >
> > Nice one, Warp.
> >
> > John
> Who gives a frak about that. Oh, ever so sorry. Which centuries
> punctuation would you like? How about spelling? What does it bloody
> matter, other than that some people insist on being purists, instead of
> just paying attention to the bloody content.
My comment was not sarcastic.
--
- Warp
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:49:02 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Who gives a frak about that. Oh, ever so sorry. Which centuries
> punctuation would you like? How about spelling? What does it bloody
> matter, other than that some people insist on being purists, instead of
> just paying attention to the bloody content.
Patrick, writing to be understood is important. If your words are
misunderstood, then you are as well. So form is as important - and in
some cases more important - than the content itself.
Use of incorrect spelling, punctuation, and grammar - and then saying
"who gives a damn about it!" is very telling. You might have an
excellent point to offer, but if it's not presented in a way that's
understandable, then you get written off as just another crank.
It's the difference between:
Let's eat grandma.
and
Let's eat, grandma.
(Or one of a million other examples)
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 1/19/2014 11:33 AM, andrel wrote:
> On 19-1-2014 19:26, clipka wrote:
>> Am 19.01.2014 17:49, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>>
>>>>> Your use of punctuation is beautiful to watch.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice one, Warp.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>> Who gives a frak about that. Oh, ever so sorry. Which centuries
>>> punctuation would you like? How about spelling? What does it bloody
>>> matter, other than that some people insist on being purists, instead of
>>> just paying attention to the bloody content.
>>
>> Well, I for one do. Seriously, Patrick, your grammar tends to be so
>> convoluted that it is frequently difficult - and sometimes impossible -
>> for me to follow.
>>
>> This isn't about purism. It's ok to be lax about punctuation and grammar
>> if it doesn't hamper communication. But in your case it seriously does.
>>
>> Feel free to not give a bloody frak about punctuation and grammar if you
>> don't give a bloody frak about whether people actually give a bloody
>> frak about reading your bloody postings. But then I wonder why you even
>> give a bloody frak about bloody posting them in the first place.
>
> excuse me gentlemen, what is a 'frak'?
>
From Battlestar Galactica (both the old, but its used way more in the
new one), as a replacement for.. well, pretty much every case you might
use "Fuck" for.
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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On 1/19/2014 11:26 AM, clipka wrote:
> Feel free to not give a bloody frak about punctuation and grammar if you
> don't give a bloody frak about whether people actually give a bloody
> frak about reading your bloody postings. But then I wonder why you even
> give a bloody frak about bloody posting them in the first place.
>
Ok, got a bit.. over the top there myself. Like I said the John in
another post, its.. something I have trouble breaking. A tendency to try
to get whole spans of ideas out, all at once, because, otherwise, I
would have to stop and spend time trying to both hold on to them all,
and sort them into a sensible order, at the same time. I do better when
I have the time to rethink them 4-5 times, but.. I am usually pressed
for time, due to being "in process" to get ready for work when I check
postings. :p
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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> BTW - crosswords are something I hate,
> because they, frankly, often reference what, for anyone that doesn't do
> crosswords, are often obscure, or, among the general public, uncommon,
> references, when/if they don't just stuff something in that involves
> celebrities, or some other obscura, which no one, other than people
> obsessed with crosswords, or "popular culture" would give a damn about.
You're getting your crosswords from the wrong places. In the UK at least
most (all?) of the newspapers run crosswords (and most are available on
their websites now), it's easy to find one as intellectual or trashy as
you want.
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> I don't know, man. I thought a degree is pretty much a degree; nobody
> seems to care much where you got it. (Unless it was somewhere really
> famous like Oxford or Cambridge.
Look at the "Graduate Prospects" column here:
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings
Obviously enough companies *do* care - and they're apparently not just
distinguishing between Oxbridge and "the rest".
> But that's because almost nobody goes
> there...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_enrollment
27th and 54th, seem about average size to me.
"Almost nobody" goes to somewhere like The Liverpool Institute for
Performing Arts :-)
> By the time you reach adulthood, you have presumably given up on calling
> people names because they're "teacher's pet". Question is, how do we get
> younger children to do that...
Like I said, IME it was the ones from the bottom classes causing
trouble. Take them out into a different school entirely, everyone's a
winner.
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> Obviously enough companies *do* care - and they're apparently not just
> distinguishing between Oxbridge and "the rest".
As I say, IME nobody cares if you have a degree. They only care that you
don't have 3 years' commercial experience.
>> By the time you reach adulthood, you have presumably given up on calling
>> people names because they're "teacher's pet". Question is, how do we get
>> younger children to do that...
>
> Like I said, IME it was the ones from the bottom classes causing
> trouble. Take them out into a different school entirely, everyone's a
> winner.
Maybe. I still think the problem is bigger than just tweaking school
slightly. Like, we need to make the entire populas regard knowledge and
skill as valuable things again, rather than something that only socially
inept dweebs are about...
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