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On 9/2/2012 17:28, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> The same identical, save in electronic form,
> technology is at the center of cell tower systems.
Well, no, not really.
That said, yeah, there's basically a modem in the phone that takes the
digital signal from your internet stack and sends it over analog radio
signals to the cell tower. All the stuff handling roaming and IP address
assignment and all that is handled at the layer below the IP layer, which
the internet doesn't even try to address, which is why you don't see things
like roaming wifi connections.
> Since the networks
> work almost exactly the same though, in terms of digital packets, its
> trivial to translate your "internet" address to a "cell" address, and pass
> the messages to the right locations.
I would phrase it more that IP is designed to be capable of being carried
over pretty much any network, and the various cell protocols are various
types of networks, so it's a straight forward mapping.
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On 3-9-2012 22:00, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/2/2012 15:47, Tim Cook wrote:
>> On 2012-09-02 13:36, Darren New wrote:
>>> We have those. They're called Tablet PCs. They were a commercial
>>> failure, but I love mine. :-)
>>
>> Ditto. Only thing that'd be be better is if it were thinner, and had
>> higher
>> resolution.
>
> No. What would make it better is if the touch screen also served as a
> flat-bed scanner. ;-)
Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a
paperless society.
Or do you want to copy data from one machine to the other by stacking
them with facing screens? And why do the words *touch* screen and
flat-*bed* suddenly suggest something else.
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:15:10 +0200, andrel wrote:
> Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a
> paperless society.
Paperless society is a myth, but being able to scan existing documents
could help get closer to paperless, no?
Jim
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On 3-9-2012 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:15:10 +0200, andrel wrote:
>
>> Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a
>> paperless society.
>
> Paperless society is a myth,
like flat screens won't happen. Oh sorry we do have them now. They were
a myth for a large number of years and then suddenly within a few years
they replaced all CRTs.
> but being able to scan existing documents
> could help get closer to paperless, no?
No. Almost everything I read, and I assume you as well, was digital
before it was painted on a dead tree. In stead of scanning and OCRing
just give me that file.
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On 9/3/2012 13:15, andrel wrote:
> Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a paperless
> society.
Exactly! I used mine for record keeping while I was traveling. The ability
to slap someone else's piece of paper on it, scan it, and toss the actual
paper would be great.
> Or do you want to copy data from one machine to the other by stacking them
> with facing screens?
If the data is already digitized, I have no need to use baroque methods for
moving the data.
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On 2012-09-03 18:33, Darren New wrote:
> Exactly! I used mine for record keeping while I was traveling. The
> ability to slap someone else's piece of paper on it, scan it, and toss
> the actual paper would be great.
Second only in popularity to the all-in-one printer/shredder, renowned
for removing the hassle of the middle step of needing to handle the
document.
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:52:19 +0200, andrel wrote:
> On 3-9-2012 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:15:10 +0200, andrel wrote:
>>
>>> Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a
>>> paperless society.
>>
>> Paperless society is a myth,
>
> like flat screens won't happen. Oh sorry we do have them now. They were
> a myth for a large number of years and then suddenly within a few years
> they replaced all CRTs.
I don't see a paperless society in place. Do you?
I tried to order a transcript of my college grades about a year ago. I
signed the paperwork using my Wacom tablet and e-mailed it back. The
signature was rejected - I had to print out the stupid form, sign it *in
pen*, scan it back into the computer, and e-mail it to them.
Until legal requirements are changed in society so that an electronic
signature is considered legal and binding - *uniformly* - we won't have a
paperless society, and we're no where close to that.
>> but being able to scan existing documents could help get closer to
>> paperless, no?
>
> No. Almost everything I read, and I assume you as well, was digital
> before it was painted on a dead tree. In stead of scanning and OCRing
> just give me that file.
Once upon a time, I had a set of books written by the author Honoré de
Balzac that were printed in the early 20th century. I can assure you
those were not digital before being printed on dead tree.
I also have in my possession copies of the Sherlock Holmes stories and
the works of H. G. Wells, printed before digital writing systems were in
common use. In fact, I've got a fair selection of books that were
printed well before digital systems were in common use in publishing -
and the vast majority (if not all of them) of those books are not
actually considered "rare".
Can you read files in Envoy format? I've got some materials in that
format as well - good luck finding a system that can read them. ;)
Jim
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Le 2012-09-03 23:58, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> Until legal requirements are changed in society so that an electronic
> signature is considered legal and binding - *uniformly* - we won't have a
> paperless society, and we're no where close to that.
>
It's starting to happen. In my neck of the woods, lawyers, engineers
anbd architects have a digital certificate and we can digitally sign
PDFs. This makes sure that our plans or contracts have not been
tampered with after we were finished them.
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:52:19 +0200, andrel wrote:
>>
>> No. Almost everything I read, and I assume you as well, was digital
>> before it was painted on a dead tree. In stead of scanning and OCRing
>> just give me that file.
>
See above. Getting the original AutoCAD or Word file could allow you to
modify it. In many cases, it might be a Really Bad Idea(tm).
Also, until they make A-sized ipads, reading plans in .PDF format will
not be popular on a construction site or shop floor.
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> Twitter, on the other hand, baffles me. It's, like, this huge Internet
> phenomenon. Your corporation is /nothing/ unless it's on Twitter. And
> yet... Well, let me put it this way. I once had this conversation with
> my dad:
>
> Dad: So what *is* Twitter then?
> Me: You know how on Facebook you can post your status?
> Dad: Yeah?
> Me: THAT'S ALL TWITTER DOES!!
> Dad: ...WTF?
>
> Not only that, but the few times I've actually been on Twitter, half the
> posts are replies to other people's posts, and there is LITERALLY NO WAY
> to find out what they're replies to. (!) Seriously, the most basic, most
> immediately obvious thing, the very first thing I tried to do, Twitter
> can't do. WTF?
>
I don't know if it's your eye-sight, or you are overlooking an obvious
feature just for the sake of a good rant, but you can "unroll the
conversation" to see exactly what they are replying to. If it's not
there, them the person you are following was not really replying to
anything someone said on Twitter. They might have "replied" to
something the person said on tv or in a newspaper.
Also, the strength of Twitter is not following certain individuals,
although that can be interesting in the case of public figures or
journalists, but following keywords (or hashtags), this way you can see
what everyone has to say about topic X. This come especially handy in
fast moving situations or live events, where no one has a complete
picture of what is going on.
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On 4-9-2012 5:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:52:19 +0200, andrel wrote:
>
>> On 3-9-2012 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:15:10 +0200, andrel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why on earth would you want to do that? The thing is meant for a
>>>> paperless society.
>>>
>>> Paperless society is a myth,
>>
>> like flat screens won't happen. Oh sorry we do have them now. They were
>> a myth for a large number of years and then suddenly within a few years
>> they replaced all CRTs.
>
> I don't see a paperless society in place. Do you?
partly, I am printing things about once a week or less. I used to print
3-4 documents a day. I do most of my revisions on screen.
> I tried to order a transcript of my college grades about a year ago. I
> signed the paperwork using my Wacom tablet and e-mailed it back. The
> signature was rejected - I had to print out the stupid form, sign it *in
> pen*, scan it back into the computer, and e-mail it to them.
>
> Until legal requirements are changed in society so that an electronic
> signature is considered legal and binding - *uniformly* - we won't have a
> paperless society, and we're no where close to that.
I do know these issues. As a matter of fact I often do receive faxes
with ECG's on the fax in my room. That it happens does not mean that
this scanning of paper versions is the common thing to do. By far most
of my communication is digitally. So I am not paperless, but paper is
only about 25% of my world now and that number is reducing fast.
>>> but being able to scan existing documents could help get closer to
>>> paperless, no?
>>
>> No. Almost everything I read, and I assume you as well, was digital
>> before it was painted on a dead tree. In stead of scanning and OCRing
>> just give me that file.
>
> Once upon a time, I had a set of books written by the author Honoré de
> Balzac that were printed in the early 20th century. I can assure you
> those were not digital before being printed on dead tree.
>
> I also have in my possession copies of the Sherlock Holmes stories and
> the works of H. G. Wells, printed before digital writing systems were in
> common use. In fact, I've got a fair selection of books that were
> printed well before digital systems were in common use in publishing -
> and the vast majority (if not all of them) of those books are not
> actually considered "rare".
I was not talking about what you have, but about what you normally read.
I also have many books printed before digital, just to show my age, but
I don't read them as often as I do read things printed later.
Also I don't see you wanting to scan any of those books. The point of
having these is having these, not the reading. In 5 years time you will
be reading them digitally if you want to read them again.
> Can you read files in Envoy format? I've got some materials in that
> format as well - good luck finding a system that can read them. ;)
But do you also have the dead tree version of those?
Do you want it as it was printed at the time or just the content?
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