Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 04/08/2012 08:43 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>
> > If your version of the facts holds up, this man has no business running
> > a company.
>
> Oh, apparently he quit three weeks ago.
>
> Presumably so that there's enough money to pay for /his/ severance
> package, even if there isn't enough left to pay ours...

Now this raises your story to level of Epic WTF.

:)

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On 04/08/2012 09:19 PM, waggy wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>> On 04/08/2012 08:43 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>>
>>> If your version of the facts holds up, this man has no business running
>>> a company.
>>
>> Oh, apparently he quit three weeks ago.
>>
>> Presumably so that there's enough money to pay for /his/ severance
>> package, even if there isn't enough left to pay ours...
>
> Now this raises your story to level of Epic WTF.

Guy takes over company. Screws it into a cocked hat. Walks off with a 
huge bonus and a giant pension. I'm sure it happens every day...

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Am 04.08.2012 22:36, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
> On 04/08/2012 09:19 PM, waggy wrote:
>> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2012 08:43 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>>>
>>>> If your version of the facts holds up, this man has no business running
>>>> a company.
>>>
>>> Oh, apparently he quit three weeks ago.
>>>
>>> Presumably so that there's enough money to pay for /his/ severance
>>> package, even if there isn't enough left to pay ours...
>>
>> Now this raises your story to level of Epic WTF.
>
> Guy takes over company. Screws it into a cocked hat. Walks off with a
> huge bonus and a giant pension. I'm sure it happens every day...

Yup. And as he has made the shareholders happy for the moment, the next 
company to hire him for his excellent restructuring skills is just 
around the corner.

And isn't his management skill plain as hell? Company's figures are 
doing bad -> He rushes to the aid -> Company's figures recover while 
he's there -> He leaves to tackle other challenges -> Company's figures 
plummet again. Too bad they hadn't been able to keep him as a CEO!


F*ck shareholder value.

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:36:09 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> Guy takes over company. Screws it into a cocked hat. Walks off with a
> huge bonus and a giant pension. I'm sure it happens every day...

Bain Capital.

Jim

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>> Guy takes over company. Screws it into a cocked hat. Walks off with a
>> huge bonus and a giant pension. I'm sure it happens every day...
>
> Yup. And as he has made the shareholders happy for the moment, the next
> company to hire him for his excellent restructuring skills is just
> around the corner.
>
> And isn't his management skill plain as hell? Company's figures are
> doing bad -> He rushes to the aid -> Company's figures recover while
> he's there -> He leaves to tackle other challenges -> Company's figures
> plummet again. Too bad they hadn't been able to keep him as a CEO!
>
>
> F*ck shareholder value.

This.

A hundred times this.

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:35:45 +0200, clipka wrote:

> F*ck shareholder value.

+1 billion.

Jim

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> In other words, this isn't thirty days to decide IF the site can be
> saved. The decision has already been made. It's just that the USA has
> employER protection laws, while the UK has employEE protection laws. And
> those pesky laws mean you can't just destroy people's lives on a whim.
> You have to consider other options.

You know how it is in the USA.  We /have/ to protect the "job creators."  Fuck
the workers.

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:35:50 -0400, Cousin Ricky wrote:

> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> In other words, this isn't thirty days to decide IF the site can be
>> saved. The decision has already been made. It's just that the USA has
>> employER protection laws, while the UK has employEE protection laws.
>> And those pesky laws mean you can't just destroy people's lives on a
>> whim. You have to consider other options.
> 
> You know how it is in the USA.  We /have/ to protect the "job creators."
>  Fuck the workers.

Indeed.  Pity that so many of the jobs created by the so-called "job 
creators" are offshore or of a pay standard such that there are employed 
people who live below the poverty line, and who have too few hours to 
qualify for employer-provided benefits (Wallmart, I'm looking pointedly 
at you).

Jim

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>> You know how it is in the USA.  We /have/ to protect the "job creators."
>>   Fuck the workers.
>
> Indeed.  Pity that so many of the jobs created by the so-called "job
> creators" are offshore or of a pay standard such that there are employed
> people who live below the poverty line, and who have too few hours to
> qualify for employer-provided benefits (Wallmart, I'm looking pointedly
> at you).

Sometimes I think my country is messed up.

And then I remember that some people live in the USA. :-D

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:18:47 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>>> You know how it is in the USA.  We /have/ to protect the "job
>>> creators."
>>>   Fuck the workers.
>>
>> Indeed.  Pity that so many of the jobs created by the so-called "job
>> creators" are offshore or of a pay standard such that there are
>> employed people who live below the poverty line, and who have too few
>> hours to qualify for employer-provided benefits (Wallmart, I'm looking
>> pointedly at you).
> 
> Sometimes I think my country is messed up.

In some ways, it is.  The UK's immigration policy, for example, is such a 
moving target that people who want to immigrate have tons of problems 
doing so.  Even after getting into the system and jumping through all the 
hoops, there's nothing that prevents the home office from changing the 
rules a month before someone's able to get permanent leave to remain and 
they have to start all over.

My wife knows people who have had that happen.

> And then I remember that some people live in the USA. :-D

Indeed.  There's a lot of good here (and in the UK) as well, but there is 
a lot that is completely whacked out here as well.  I'm waiting for the 
day when our government is sponsored by Exxon or BP.  (Oh, wait, we might 
already be there).

Jim

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