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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 09:34:49
Message: <4f464e89@news.povray.org>
On 23/02/2012 1:57 PM, Warp wrote:
>    I don't see what someone would use a printer for. It just sounds so
> obsolete nowadays, in the same way as floppy disks or RS-232 ports.

Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter. You know something 
that used to be made of velum and hand written.
I will also print out notes that I cannot be bothered to transfer to 
another device or hand write them.

At work, documents that need an old fashioned signature need to be printed.


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     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 10:01:30
Message: <4f4654ca@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter.

  That's what email has been for for the last 20 years.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 10:22:29
Message: <4f4659b5@news.povray.org>
On 23/02/2012 3:01 PM, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  wrote:
>> Well I use my printer when I need to send a letter.
>
>    That's what email has been for for the last 20 years.
>

Longer than that, even. But sometimes snail mail is obligatory when 
dealing with banks and governmental offices.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 11:28:26
Message: <4f46692a@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Longer than that, even. But sometimes snail mail is obligatory when 
> dealing with banks and governmental offices.

  I don't think any bank or governmental office would require a customer
to own a printer in order to deal with them.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 12:03:55
Message: <4f46717b@news.povray.org>
On 23/02/2012 4:28 PM, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  wrote:
>> Longer than that, even. But sometimes snail mail is obligatory when
>> dealing with banks and governmental offices.
>
>    I don't think any bank or governmental office would require a customer
> to own a printer in order to deal with them.
>

No, but you asked why Andrew would want to use a printer and I gave you 
a reason why I do. Also now a days printers double up as scanners and 
photo copiers. Another reason.

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     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 12:19:57
Message: <4f46753d@news.povray.org>
Am 23.02.2012 17:28, schrieb Warp:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  wrote:
>> Longer than that, even. But sometimes snail mail is obligatory when
>> dealing with banks and governmental offices.
>
>    I don't think any bank or governmental office would require a customer
> to own a printer in order to deal with them.

No, of course they could just as well take out paper and pen, and write 
it by hand.

I personally prefer to send something legible though...


Print out forms to fill out by hand and/or sign, and then send via 
SnailMail or fax, avoiding the hassle of picking up the form somewhere 
in person?

Print out invoices for the clients of some freelancing business?

Print out stuff which freelancers are legally obliged to archive for 10 
years on paper unless they own a WORM drive for that purpose?

Print out something to read while traveling by train or lazing on the couch?

Print out character sheets, rulebook excerpts etc. for pen & paper 
roleplay gaming sessions?

Print out charts and then scribble some notes on them?


Been there, done all that with my private printer. Not that I use it 
frequently enough to keep inkjet cartridges from drying out, but that's 
why I bought a laser printer (which also happens to be a copier, scanner 
and fax machine).


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 12:38:40
Message: <4f4679a0@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Print out invoices for the clients of some freelancing business?

> Print out stuff which freelancers are legally obliged to archive for 10 
> years on paper unless they own a WORM drive for that purpose?

  I doubt he runs a freelancing business.

> Print out something to read while traveling by train or lazing on the couch?

  That's what handheld devices are for. ;)

> Print out character sheets, rulebook excerpts etc. for pen & paper 
> roleplay gaming sessions?

  I have got the impression he doesn't play such things (at least not as
a DM).

> Print out charts and then scribble some notes on them?

  Charts of what?

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 13:15:39
Message: <4f46824b$1@news.povray.org>
Am 23.02.2012 18:38, schrieb Warp:
> clipka<ano### [at] anonymousorg>  wrote:
>> Print out invoices for the clients of some freelancing business?
>
>> Print out stuff which freelancers are legally obliged to archive for 10
>> years on paper unless they own a WORM drive for that purpose?
>
>    I doubt he runs a freelancing business.

I was listing uses that I have (or had) myself for owning a printer, 
presuming your statement to be a generic "nobody needs printers these days".

>> Print out something to read while traveling by train or lazing on the couch?
>
>    That's what handheld devices are for. ;)

I prefer printed A4 for certain texts. Not to mention that I currently 
don't have the money to buy a smartphone or the like (used to have one, 
but it got stolen quite some time ago), and actually don't need one 
anyway, because - guess what, I own a printer :-P

As long as handhelds don't allow you to just put your thumb between any 
pages you choose, and/or come at a price where you can own two or three 
of them to arrange in front of you, I guess I'm going to stick with 
paper for certain uses.

>> Print out character sheets, rulebook excerpts etc. for pen&  paper
>> roleplay gaming sessions?
>
>    I have got the impression he doesn't play such things (at least not as
> a DM).

I actually do that as a player. It helps with quickly looking up rule 
details for my character's abilities and magic items taken from some 
obscure extension rulebook, maybe with added notes about certain 
parameters as applicable to the character.

>> Print out charts and then scribble some notes on them?
>
>    Charts of what?

When I look at the left portion of my desk, I see a printout of the 
emission spectra of some typical RGB phosphors, with added hand-drawn 
lines & curves, and notes about how they might be approximated 
mathematically.

Similarly, a while ago I printed images of Penrose tilings, adding 
various colored lines to visualize how they could be defined 
recursively. Doing the same in Photoshop didn't quite cut it for some 
unknown ergonomic reasons.


As for Andy, one particular use I could think of would be to print out 
music sheets downloaded from the Internerds now and again.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Device drivers
Date: 23 Feb 2012 16:08:19
Message: <4f46aac3$1@news.povray.org>
>    Your answer is like "do you have the time?" "yes".

I actually give people that answer from time to time. ;-)

>    I don't see what someone would use a printer for. It just sounds so
> obsolete nowadays, in the same way as floppy disks or RS-232 ports.

I am astounded that you would think that paper is obsolete.

I mean, sure, people have been /talking/ about going paperless for 
decades. And yet... we're still surrounded by paper. Heck, it's been 
possible to read documents on a computer since before I was even born, 
and yet book shops still sell thousands of paper books per day. Hell, 
today we even have specialised e-readers, devices which exist solely for 
the purpose of reading stuff. And yet, paper books are still vastly more 
popular. Because, you know what? Paper is more convenient than any 
computer screen.

As a side note, RS-232 /is/ obsolete. But do you have /any idea/ how 
much equipment literally isn't usable without RS-232? You might be 
surprised.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Device
Date: 23 Feb 2012 16:12:42
Message: <4f46abca$1@news.povray.org>
OK, this is even stranger... Now that all my stuff is plugged in, the PC 
won't boot unless I cycle the power from the PSU. Then the machine boots 
and works perfectly. But next time I try to use it, it freezes at the 
BIOS screen, and I can't get it to do anything until I flip the switch 
on the PSU. I've never seen this before... what the heck?

To be clear, when it works normally, you get a BIOS screen, then some 
mumbo-jumbo about the RAID system that I'm not using, and then a second 
BIOS screen, and then it tries to load the OS. But now, it freezes on 
the first BIOS screen. No reason, it just does. Won't respond to any key 
presses. Won't respond to the power button. Won't respond to anything 
except turning the PSU off...


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