On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:44:47 +0000, Invisible wrote:

>>>>> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things
>>>>> you don't want people to see, right?
>>>>
>>>> Not so much, no.  The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
>>>> damage".
>>>
>>> Sure. Any technically sophisticated Internet user won't have too much
>>> trouble getting around the blacklist. The clueless newbies? Not so
>>> much.
>>
>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route
>> around the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
> 
> Am I missing something?

You were aware that Hosni Mubarak is no longer in charge in Egypt and 
that they had a "small" revolution last year, weren't you?

>>>> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried
>>>> to shut down The Pirate Bay.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>
>> <boggle>
> 
> What? Like it's famous or something?

Arguably the most famous torrent site in the world.

Jim

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>>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route
>>> around the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>
> You were aware that Hosni Mubarak is no longer in charge in Egypt and
> that they had a "small" revolution last year, weren't you?

Nope. The politics of remote countries isn't something I generally keep 
up with. (Heck, the politics of *this* country isn't something I avidly 
follow...)

>>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>>
>>> <boggle>
>>
>> What? Like it's famous or something?
>
> Arguably the most famous torrent site in the world.

And Edgar Froese is arguably the most famous band member ever to be in 
Tangerine Dream... Have *you* ever heard of him?

Fame is a relative thing.

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Invisible escreveu:
>>>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>>>
>>>> <boggle>
>>>
>>> What? Like it's famous or something?
>>
>> Arguably the most famous torrent site in the world.
> 
> And Edgar Froese is arguably the most famous band member ever to be in 
> Tangerine Dream... Have *you* ever heard of him?
> 
> Fame is a relative thing.

Are you really willing to compare the fame of a pretty obscure band to 
the fame of a website that serves every kind of content to pretty much 
everyone in the net?

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Invisible escreveu:
> On 23/01/2012 10:29 AM, John VanSickle wrote:
>> Wait, isn't Pipa some gal who's in the tabloids a lot?
> 
> I wouldn't know; I don't read comic books.

he didn't say comic books, he tablets, you know, like iPad?

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 23/01/2012 10:29 AM, John VanSickle wrote:
> > Wait, isn't Pipa some gal who's in the tabloids a lot?

> I wouldn't know; I don't read comic books.

  I don't know if that was just a jab at tabloids, or if you a honestly have
a confusion of terminology... Either way it's slightly amusing.

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On 1/23/2012 9:33 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>>>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route
>>>> around the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> You were aware that Hosni Mubarak is no longer in charge in Egypt and
>> that they had a "small" revolution last year, weren't you?
>
> Nope. The politics of remote countries isn't something I generally keep
> up with. (Heck, the politics of *this* country isn't something I avidly
> follow...)
>
There was a poll done a while back which showed that Fox News viewers 
where like 80%, or something, less likely to know *anything* that was 
going on in their own country, or the rest of the world, including that 
Egypt, and several other countries, had recently had a revolution.

Apparently its possible to not watch Fox, and still have this problem. ;)

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On 1/23/2012 8:17 AM, nemesis wrote:
> Warp<war### [at] tagpovrayorg>  wrote:
>> Francois Labreque<fla### [at] videotronca>  wrote:
>>> Le 2012-01-22 02:09, Warp a écrit :
>>>>     The day after SOPA was rejected in the US congress, the US government
>>>> took down megaupload.com. Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>>     The prevailing theory is that they were planning on taking it down for
>>>> some time (after all, the bureucracy and paperwork involved in this kind
>>>> of operation is not something that's done in one day) and were only
>>>> waiting for SOPA to pass in order to shut down the site, so that they
>>>> would have a justification. It did not pass, so no justification. However,
>>>> rather than let all the hard work go to waste, they took the website down
>>>> anyways.
>>>>
>>> Using existing laws, proving that PIPA and SOPA were unnecessary after all.
>>
>>    And now the US government has the IP addresses if millions of people who
>> have uploaded and downloaded illegal material to megaupload.com. What do
>> you think they will do with those addresses?
>
> they'll put the whole of society in jail, aside from those running jailbreakers.
>
>
So much easier than just hoping they will all buy a few ounces of pot, 
and get thrown in jail for that...

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On 23/01/2012 9:39 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Fox News

??? :-P

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On 23/01/2012 9:41 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> a few ounces of pot

Rich man. :-P

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     Stephen

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On 23/01/2012 6:13 PM, Warp wrote:
> Invisible<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>> On 23/01/2012 10:29 AM, John VanSickle wrote:
>>> Wait, isn't Pipa some gal who's in the tabloids a lot?
>
>> I wouldn't know; I don't read comic books.
>
>    I don't know if that was just a jab at tabloids, or if you a honestly have
> a confusion of terminology... Either way it's slightly amusing.
>

It was not a joke. He spoke the truth. ;-)
Also called "Red Tops" in the UK.

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     Stephen

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