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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 12:33:07
Message: <4f11bc53@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:15:32 -0500, Warp wrote:

> >   "The song of the forest is in perfect harmony. If a single note is out
> > of place, the elves will find its source."

> I'd have guessed Tolkien if I hadn't read later messages.

  If a quote mentions elves, it must be Tolkien? Is he the only known author
who has ever written about elves?-)

> "Insanity is a gradual process.  Don't rush it."

  If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say it's by the Joker, but that's the
only fictional character I know of (or remember) who deals with subjects
of insanity... It's probably wrong.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 12:34:49
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 1/12/2012 9:45, Jim Henderson wrote:
> > Which, logically, means it can be trusted.  To be wrong, that is. :)

> That's why I correct people who say Microsoft or Apple can't be trusted. 
> They can certainly be trusted to do whatever they can get away with.

  I'd say that's rather nitpicky. The colloquial expression "can be
trusted" implies the continuation "to do the right thing" (for their
customers, in this particular case).

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 14:29:11
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On 1/14/2012 9:34, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom>  wrote:
>> On 1/12/2012 9:45, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Which, logically, means it can be trusted.  To be wrong, that is. :)
>
>> That's why I correct people who say Microsoft or Apple can't be trusted.
>> They can certainly be trusted to do whatever they can get away with.
>
>    I'd say that's rather nitpicky.

Yes. But it's usually in response to people complaining that Microsoft isn't 
trustworthy because they reliably do selfish things, or something. My point 
is "yes, rely on that rather than complaining of it."

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   People tell me I am the counter-example.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 14:48:04
Message: <4f11dbf4@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:33:07 -0500, Warp wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:15:32 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>> >   "The song of the forest is in perfect harmony. If a single note is
>> >   out
>> > of place, the elves will find its source."
> 
>> I'd have guessed Tolkien if I hadn't read later messages.
> 
>   If a quote mentions elves, it must be Tolkien? Is he the only known
>   author
> who has ever written about elves?-)

Of course not, but cognitive processes tend to take shortcuts, and 
association "elves" with "Tolkien" is such a shortcut.

>> "Insanity is a gradual process.  Don't rush it."
> 
>   If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say it's by the Joker, but that's
>   the
> only fictional character I know of (or remember) who deals with subjects
> of insanity... It's probably wrong.

Yep, it is.  Your cognitive shortcut didn't work either, it would seem. :)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 14:48:46
Message: <4f11dc1e$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:10:41 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> On 1/12/2012 9:45, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Which, logically, means it can be trusted.  To be wrong, that is. :)
> 
> That's why I correct people who say Microsoft or Apple can't be trusted.
> They can certainly be trusted to do whatever they can get away with.

Absolutely.

I think, though, when people say they can't be trusted, it's a shortcut 
for "they can't be trusted with my information" or something along those 
ways.

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 14 Jan 2012 15:14:10
Message: <4f11e212@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   Which gives me an idea: What are your favorite quotes? (They don't have to
> be film quotes. Anything goes.)

  Ok, here's another one:

    As Abraham Lincoln once said, "Journalism is the first rough draft
    of history." Or possibly it was Thomas Edison who said that. I'm
    pretty sure somebody said it, because you often hear journalists
    quote it in an effort to explain how come they get everything wrong.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 15 Jan 2012 05:46:53
Message: <4f12ae9d$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/01/2012 05:34 PM, Warp wrote:

>    The problem with quotes in the modern world is that it's trivial to write
> them in google and get the source in a few seconds. There's no challenge
> anymore.

Interestingly, typing "quod enim mavult homo verum esse id poteous 
credit" yields few if any hits, despite being a very well-known quote.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 15 Jan 2012 05:51:17
Message: <4f12afa5$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/01/2012 05:34 PM, Warp wrote:

>    I'd say that's rather nitpicky. The colloquial expression "can be
> trusted" implies the continuation "to do the right thing" (for their
> customers, in this particular case).

All those people running MS software are *not* MS customers. They are an 
MS product. ;-)

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 15 Jan 2012 05:53:34
Message: <4f12b02e$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/01/2012 05:09 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 1/12/2012 5:52, Invisible wrote:
>> Of course, if instead of inserting something obviously bogus, the
>> person had
>> made several small factual edits which look superficially plausible, you
>
> It would take about an hour. You don't think academics do experiments
> like this and publish their results.

Er, why would academics waste time on something as pointless as Wikipedia?



...oh, wait. I just remembered the experimental study to determine 
whether or not a duck's quack echoes. Damn.

>> This is why Wikipedia will /never/ be inerrant. ;-)
>
> Of course not. But it appears to have errors at about the same rate as
> normal published paper encyclopedia.

Really? So paper encyclopedias are written by people with no domain 
knowledge simply plucking facts out of thin air too?

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Don't mess with Wikipedia
Date: 15 Jan 2012 10:54:40
Message: <4f12f6c0@news.povray.org>
On 15/01/2012 10:46 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 13/01/2012 05:34 PM, Warp wrote:
>
>> The problem with quotes in the modern world is that it's trivial to write
>> them in google and get the source in a few seconds. There's no challenge
>> anymore.
>
> Interestingly, typing "quod enim mavult homo verum esse id poteous
> credit" yields few if any hits, despite being a very well-known quote.
>
Not well known to me. What does it mean?

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Regards
     Stephen


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