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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 18 Nov 2011 07:51:42
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On 18/11/2011 12:12 PM, Invisible wrote:
> I'm not saying that I have amazingly good job security. I'm just saying
> that anybody who works for themselves has even less than I do. (OTOH,
> it's quite plausible the money is better...)
True, the money is generally better or the conditions are. That is you
can be picky about which assignments you chose or like me at the moment,
take a lot of time off work. Also true is that there can be lean periods
where there is little contract work available. Being an independent
contractor is not for everyone and I would not recommend it for you. But
my point is that when you are a permie even if you think that you are in
a secure job it is not always so. Almost 20 years ago I was made
redundant from a permanent position with an oil company. I was very
surprised as I thought that my job was safe as I was one of the better
people in my department. Who knows what criteria they used for selecting
who was to go. I’m sure that it was not merit as some of the people they
kept on were real duffers. ;-)
Anyway, it turned out to be the best thing that has happened to me in a
long while.
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Regards
Stephen
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 18 Nov 2011 17:01:39
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:21:00 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Personally, I'd prefer job security. But apparently that's just me...
>
> (Did you know, there are people who actually work FOR THEMSELVES? Crazy,
> crazy people...)
Even crazier, here in the US, if you work for yourself, your options for
reasonable health insurance are quite limited.
I know, I currently work for myself. Not necessarily by choice, but in
this job market, finding something permanent has been more challenging
than I anticipated.
But the contract pay's not bad. :)
Jim
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 18 Nov 2011 17:02:15
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:21:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> On 18/11/2011 10:25 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 18/11/2011 9:21 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> (Did you know, there are people who actually work FOR THEMSELVES?
>>> Crazy,
>>> crazy people...)
>>
>> I've been doing that since 1997 and maybe you are right.
>
> As far as job security goes, working for yourself has to be the least
> secure job logically possible, surely...?
Depends on if you have skills people want to pay for. I know some who
have worked for themselves for most of their working lives and they've
always been in demand.
Jim
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 01:41:51
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On 11/18/2011 1:21, Invisible wrote:
> By this time next year, it will essentially be a
> very expensive doorstop. It must make accountants' hair tingle!
I wouldn't go that far, unless you're an accountant. :-)
> Personally, I'd prefer job security. But apparently that's just me...
It's not just you, no. You can go to a company big enough to probably still
be in business in 5 years, tho.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 08:42:16
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On 19/11/2011 06:41 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 11/18/2011 1:21, Invisible wrote:
>> By this time next year, it will essentially be a
>> very expensive doorstop. It must make accountants' hair tingle!
>
> I wouldn't go that far, unless you're an accountant. :-)
Random fact: Everybody thinks that accountants are boring old men in
suits. The kind of people you'd hate to meet at a party. But in fact,
every accountant and financial auditor I've ever met has been a) female
b) beautiful and c) friendly. GO FIGURE!
>> Personally, I'd prefer job security. But apparently that's just me...
>
> It's not just you, no. You can go to a company big enough to probably
> still be in business in 5 years, tho.
Any company can fail. I guess the difference is that if a big company is
going to fail, you'll know about it sooner before it happens...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 08:52:13
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Le 2011-11-19 01:41, Darren New a écrit :
> On 11/18/2011 1:21, Invisible wrote:
>> By this time next year, it will essentially be a
>> very expensive doorstop. It must make accountants' hair tingle!
>
> I wouldn't go that far, unless you're an accountant. :-)
>
>> Personally, I'd prefer job security. But apparently that's just me...
>
> It's not just you, no. You can go to a company big enough to probably
> still be in business in 5 years, tho.
>
Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.
For example, a year ago or two ago, no one would have refused a job at
RIM. Today, I don't think many people would want to go there.
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 12:21:04
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On 11/19/2011 5:42, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Any company can fail. I guess the difference is that if a big company is
> going to fail, you'll know about it sooner before it happens...
Yep. That's why I'm always amused when people tell me Linux is better
because "what if Microsoft stops supporting Windows?"
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 12:57:21
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> On 11/19/2011 5:42, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> > Any company can fail. I guess the difference is that if a big company is
> > going to fail, you'll know about it sooner before it happens...
> Yep. That's why I'm always amused when people tell me Linux is better
> because "what if Microsoft stops supporting Windows?"
I actually fail to understand your reasoning.
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- Warp
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 13:18:19
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On 11/19/2011 9:57, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>> On 11/19/2011 5:42, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Any company can fail. I guess the difference is that if a big company is
>>> going to fail, you'll know about it sooner before it happens...
>
>> Yep. That's why I'm always amused when people tell me Linux is better
>> because "what if Microsoft stops supporting Windows?"
>
> I actually fail to understand your reasoning.
It amuses me because they fail to take into account the extra pain caused by
writing for something like Linux instead of Windows, in those situations
where it matters, which is usually where the argument comes up. "You should
avoid DirectX, and only use libraries that run on every platform, because
Microsoft might stop selling Windows one day!" There may be lots of reasons
to avoid Windows, but the thought that Microsoft will fail before your
company does is not one of them. Right up there with "we should avoid SQL,
because what if we get so many customers that the sort of technology that
runs AT&T's billing and Visa's credit card processing can't keep up with the
demand for *our* product?"
Of course, in other situations, Linux is superior. But not because Microsoft
might go broke.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: I would agree with most or all the employment advice herein:
Date: 19 Nov 2011 14:52:34
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:42:16 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Personally, I'd prefer job security. But apparently that's just me...
>>
>> It's not just you, no. You can go to a company big enough to probably
>> still be in business in 5 years, tho.
>
> Any company can fail. I guess the difference is that if a big company is
> going to fail, you'll know about it sooner before it happens...
Nope, that's certainly not true. Look at the likes of Enron, Tyco,
Lehman Brothers - the list goes on and on.
The single largest training business in Australia & New Zealand closed
all their doors overnight. Nobody had any idea until it happened (other
than the decision makers, that is, obviously they knew).
Jim
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