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From: Invisible
Subject: Another tech startup
Date: 4 Oct 2011 04:14:35
Message: <4e8ac06b$1@news.povray.org>
OK, so check it out:

   http://www.accidentsketch.com/

Within about 45 seconds of using it, I had already found a show-stopping 
problem: How the hell do you draw an 8-lane motorway with this thing?? 
Because, you know, not every road has 2 lanes or 4 lanes. There /are/ 
other sizes...

Another software design failure. :-P


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 5 Oct 2011 09:07:20
Message: <4e8c5688$1@news.povray.org>

> OK, so check it out:
>
> http://www.accidentsketch.com/
>
> Within about 45 seconds of using it, I had already found a show-stopping
> problem: How the hell do you draw an 8-lane motorway with this thing??
> Because, you know, not every road has 2 lanes or 4 lanes. There /are/
> other sizes...
>
> Another software design failure. :-P

I had no problem dragging 12 lanes of road on the canvas.  I don't see 
why you had issues with it.

Also, chances are that if your accident involved all 8 lanes, there will 
be a police report, and more than likely tv footage of the scene.  In 
that case, you don't need to draw the scene yourself.

I don't know what the rules are in the UK, but in my Canadian province, 
for small fender benders without injuries, the police will not even come 
and file a report, so you have to file it yourself with the other 
parties involved.

Nice tool, but I don't think it'll be the next killer app.
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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 5 Oct 2011 09:14:45
Message: <4e8c5845@news.povray.org>
>> Another software design failure. :-P
>
> I had no problem dragging 12 lanes of road on the canvas. I don't see
> why you had issues with it.

Because there isn't an option to drag *one* lane onto the canvas. You 
can drag *two* lanes with a curb on either side. One *four* lanes with a 
central divide. But there's no way that I can discover to allow you to 
draw 4 lanes going each way.

> Also, chances are that if your accident involved all 8 lanes, there will
> be a police report, and more than likely tv footage of the scene. In
> that case, you don't need to draw the scene yourself.

You probably do, you know.

Really, the accident I need to draw involved two lanes. The only reason 
to draw all the others is to make it clear what happened.

> Nice tool, but I don't think it'll be the next killer app.

Quite. A nice idea, executed poorly.


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 5 Oct 2011 10:34:55
Message: <4e8c6b0f$1@news.povray.org>
Le 05/10/2011 15:14, Invisible a écrit :
>>> Another software design failure. :-P
>>
>> I had no problem dragging 12 lanes of road on the canvas. I don't see
>> why you had issues with it.
> 
> Because there isn't an option to drag *one* lane onto the canvas. You
> can drag *two* lanes with a curb on either side. One *four* lanes with a
> central divide. But there's no way that I can discover to allow you to
> draw 4 lanes going each way.

You are not supposed to get an accident on a one-way single lane.
It cannot be reported, thererfore it cannot happen.

Also, curves are too simples. Roads are actually far more complex.

Oh, and what about having a bridge somewhere ? or a tunnel going under
another road...

Did I miss signals ?


>> Nice tool, but I don't think it'll be the next killer app.
> 
> Quite. A nice idea, executed poorly.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 5 Oct 2011 10:39:19
Message: <4e8c6c17@news.povray.org>
>>> I had no problem dragging 12 lanes of road on the canvas. I don't see
>>> why you had issues with it.
>>
>> Because there isn't an option to drag *one* lane onto the canvas. You
>> can drag *two* lanes with a curb on either side. One *four* lanes with a
>> central divide. But there's no way that I can discover to allow you to
>> draw 4 lanes going each way.
>
> You are not supposed to get an accident on a one-way single lane.
> It cannot be reported, thererfore it cannot happen.

In which country can it not be reported?

> Also, curves are too simples. Roads are actually far more complex.
>
> Oh, and what about having a bridge somewhere ? or a tunnel going under
> another road...

These details are not important for diagramming purposes. Unless you 
actually drove into the side of the tunnel entrance or similar. This 
could be [and isn't] handled by having a single symbol representing a 
stationary object.


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From: Paul Fuller
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 6 Oct 2011 02:20:01
Message: <4e8d4891$1@news.povray.org>
I'd rather use Google Earth to bring up a view of the area and annotate 
that.  Perhaps take a snapshot into your favourite paint or vector 
drawing program.  Trace the outlines, drop out irrelevant details and 
add the vehicles as needed.

Exceptions: Accidents in tunnels, under bridges and in undercover 
parking, where Google Earth does not have coverage or is out of date etc.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 6 Oct 2011 04:09:32
Message: <4e8d623c$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/10/2011 07:19 AM, Paul Fuller wrote:
> I'd rather use Google Earth to bring up a view of the area and annotate
> that. Perhaps take a snapshot into your favourite paint or vector
> drawing program. Trace the outlines, drop out irrelevant details and add
> the vehicles as needed.
>
> Exceptions: Accidents in tunnels, under bridges and in undercover
> parking, where Google Earth does not have coverage or is out of date etc.

Really, the accident happened on a straight section of motorway. If I'm 
going to use a vector drawing package, it wouldn't take too long to draw 
a couple of straight lines and dashed lines to represent the road. The 
hard part would be drawing something to represent the vehicles...


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From: Paul Fuller
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 6 Oct 2011 05:17:22
Message: <4e8d7222$1@news.povray.org>
On 6/10/2011 7:09 PM, Invisible wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 07:19 AM, Paul Fuller wrote:
>> I'd rather use Google Earth to bring up a view of the area and annotate
>> that. Perhaps take a snapshot into your favourite paint or vector
>> drawing program. Trace the outlines, drop out irrelevant details and add
>> the vehicles as needed.
>>
>> Exceptions: Accidents in tunnels, under bridges and in undercover
>> parking, where Google Earth does not have coverage or is out of date etc.
>
> Really, the accident happened on a straight section of motorway. If I'm
> going to use a vector drawing package, it wouldn't take too long to draw
> a couple of straight lines and dashed lines to represent the road. The
> hard part would be drawing something to represent the vehicles...

Clip-Art.  For example SketchUp has vast libraries of objects and no 
doubt there are many types of vehicles amongst them.

Don't underestimate the appearance of reality in anything intended to 
convince people of some sequence of events.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 6 Oct 2011 05:24:33
Message: <4e8d73d1@news.povray.org>
>> Really, the accident happened on a straight section of motorway. If I'm
>> going to use a vector drawing package, it wouldn't take too long to draw
>> a couple of straight lines and dashed lines to represent the road. The
>> hard part would be drawing something to represent the vehicles...
>
> Clip-Art. For example SketchUp has vast libraries of objects and no
> doubt there are many types of vehicles amongst them.

The only vector drawing package I know of is Inkscape - which doesn't 
come with anything like that. Although I guess I could use SketchUp. 
It's not really optimal for 2D work, but I guess you could do it.

> Don't underestimate the appearance of reality in anything intended to
> convince people of some sequence of events.

I could probably produce something detailed enough in a few seconds with 
a simple pencil and paper. (Ah, but you can't email that to people...)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Another tech startup
Date: 6 Oct 2011 05:55:06
Message: <4e8d7afa$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/10/2011 10:24 AM, Invisible wrote:
> I could probably produce something detailed enough in a few seconds with
> a simple pencil and paper. (Ah, but you can't email that to people...)

You can if you scan it.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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