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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 5 Oct 2011 10:58:23
Message: <4e8c708f$1@news.povray.org>
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:05:44 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 05/10/2011 8:55 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Can you blame them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, the above sum is mental arithmetic. It does not need pencil and
>>> paper.
>>
>> To be fair, if there were a few more items, you'd probably need to
>> write it down just to keep track of it all. But two pencil sharpeners
>> which are £1.95 each shouldn't trouble anybody...
>
> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is to
> blame.
Technology. Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
Jim
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>>> To be fair, if there were a few more items, you'd probably need to
>>> write it down just to keep track of it all. But two pencil sharpeners
>>> which are £1.95 each shouldn't trouble anybody...
>>
>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is to
>> blame.
>
> Technology. Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
Heh. My phone has a calculator, but it'll take you five minutes to
figure out which submenu it's burried under. And then to remember which
key you have to hold for 3 seconds to make the various mathematical
operators appear...
(Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the random
submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined reason.)
It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a PC
with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop calculator
to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 5 Oct 2011 11:50:34
Message: <4e8c7cca$1@news.povray.org>
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:03:07 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>>> To be fair, if there were a few more items, you'd probably need to
>>>> write it down just to keep track of it all. But two pencil sharpeners
>>>> which are £1.95 each shouldn't trouble anybody...
>>>
>>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is
>>> to blame.
>>
>> Technology. Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
>> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
>
> Heh. My phone has a calculator, but it'll take you five minutes to
> figure out which submenu it's burried under. And then to remember which
> key you have to hold for 3 seconds to make the various mathematical
> operators appear...
>
> (Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the random
> submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined reason.)
Well, that's why I put a shortcut on the screen for it. :)
> It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a PC
> with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop calculator
> to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
It's all about familiarity. They probably are much faster on a
calculator keypad. :)
Jim
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On 5-10-2011 17:50, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:03:07 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>>>>> To be fair, if there were a few more items, you'd probably need to
>>>>> write it down just to keep track of it all. But two pencil sharpeners
>>>>> which are £1.95 each shouldn't trouble anybody...
>>>>
>>>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is
>>>> to blame.
>>>
>>> Technology. Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
>>> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
>>
>> Heh. My phone has a calculator, but it'll take you five minutes to
>> figure out which submenu it's burried under. And then to remember which
>> key you have to hold for 3 seconds to make the various mathematical
>> operators appear...
>>
>> (Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the random
>> submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined reason.)
>
> Well, that's why I put a shortcut on the screen for it. :)
>
>> It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a PC
>> with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop calculator
>> to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
>
> It's all about familiarity. They probably are much faster on a
> calculator keypad. :)
Ever noticed that the keyboard has a calculator side pad? That most
calculators use this and that you can copy paste answers.
Indeed they didn't.
--
Apparently you can afford your own dictator for less than 10 cents per
citizen per day.
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>> It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a PC
>> with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop calculator
>> to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
>
> It's all about familiarity. They probably are much faster on a
> calculator keypad. :)
Well, at least you don't have to worry about it lagging out because the
scheduled antivirus scan just kicked in... Even so, there's something
deeply broken about purchasing a powerful computational device and then
purchasing another one to do the actual math for you.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 5 Oct 2011 14:16:44
Message: <4e8c9f0c$1@news.povray.org>
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:38:30 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a
>>> PC with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop
>>> calculator to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
>>
>> It's all about familiarity. They probably are much faster on a
>> calculator keypad. :)
>
> Well, at least you don't have to worry about it lagging out because the
> scheduled antivirus scan just kicked in... Even so, there's something
> deeply broken about purchasing a powerful computational device and then
> purchasing another one to do the actual math for you.
Sometimes a simpler tool is a better tool. :)
Jim
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 5 Oct 2011 14:18:18
Message: <4e8c9f6a$1@news.povray.org>
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:42:47 +0200, andrel wrote:
> On 5-10-2011 17:50, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 16:03:07 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>>>>> To be fair, if there were a few more items, you'd probably need to
>>>>>> write it down just to keep track of it all. But two pencil
>>>>>> sharpeners which are £1.95 each shouldn't trouble anybody...
>>>>>
>>>>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is
>>>>> to blame.
>>>>
>>>> Technology. Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
>>>> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
>>>
>>> Heh. My phone has a calculator, but it'll take you five minutes to
>>> figure out which submenu it's burried under. And then to remember
>>> which key you have to hold for 3 seconds to make the various
>>> mathematical operators appear...
>>>
>>> (Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the
>>> random submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined
>>> reason.)
>>
>> Well, that's why I put a shortcut on the screen for it. :)
>>
>>> It still amuses me when I see people in the lab sitting in front of a
>>> PC with a 3 GHz dual-core 64-bit processor, and using a desktop
>>> calculator to work out what numbers to key into the computer. ;-)
>>
>> It's all about familiarity. They probably are much faster on a
>> calculator keypad. :)
>
> Ever noticed that the keyboard has a calculator side pad?
Not on my laptop. And compared to a calculator, the numeric keypad's
numbers are reversed (1-3 at the bottom rather than at the top).
> That most
> calculators use this and that you can copy paste answers. Indeed they
> didn't.
Sure, there are benefits. I'd have to be stupid not to know *that*.
Jim
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On 9/30/2011 11:59 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> What worries me is the possibility of a theory not being taken seriously
> because nobody likes it, rather than because the theory doesn't work...
>
That has happened before, and it will happen again.
--
~Mike
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On 10/5/2011 9:42, andrel wrote:
> Ever noticed that the keyboard has a calculator side pad?
Back when spreadsheets were the killer app, people were annoyed that the
number keys and the arrow keys were the same keys. So now we have two sets
of number keys *and* two sets of arrow keys.
Me, I'm about to buy a keyboard with no numpad, and with the insert/home/etc
and the arrow keys in ... odd positions, just so it's small enough I don't
have to put my mouse on a different desk just to fit all they keys I never use.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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>> What worries me is the possibility of a theory not being taken seriously
>> because nobody likes it, rather than because the theory doesn't work...
>
> That has happened before, and it will happen again.
Any concrete examples?
Every example I know of where a theory wasn't believed because it seemed
too silly, eventually facts won out.
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