On 10/11/2011 12:14, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 08:08 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 10/11/2011 12:01, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> a product that you already have lying around and try to sell it to a
>>>>> completely different audience...
>>>>
>>>> You'll notice that Blender is free, right?
>>>
>>> Sure. That doesn't mean it's well designed. ;-)
>>
>> It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was
>> built for.
>
> Would it make you happier if I change "sold" to "provided to"?

Then it's not really a bad management decision, is it?  Is it a bad 
management decision to give to charity the curtains that no longer match 
your decoration after you've painted your house? I mean, shouldn't you have 
gotten the right color curtains in the first place, that would match both 
paint colors?

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On 10/11/2011 12:23, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> OK... so if you implement IPv6, you can tunnel it over UDP. Not quite sure
> how that relates to the fact that inbound UDP is blocked at the firewall...

Well, you *can* block it. It just, be default, isn't normally blocked.

Really, go on, give it a try. Not at your work's firewall, but from behind a 
normal user firewall of the type that would be used by someone who doesn't 
know what "mouse click" means.

>> Your incredulity fortunately does not eliminate the encryption.
>
> That's very reassuring.

Well, I'd point you to the open source client implementation, but you'd 
probably not believe that either.

> OK, wait a sec... I just remembered the target audience... As you were.

Exactly.

> Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by default?

You mean, the ability for programs on two cooperating machines to bypass 
both their firewalls and NATs? Yes.

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On 11/10/2011 08:41 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your
>> TCP/IP
>> configuration settings?
>
> Um, no?
>
>> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
>> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you
>> change it
>> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)
>
> Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?

It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi 
or something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.

>> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly
>> drastic difference...
>
> Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks
> up" on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because
> you just crashed the X server.

OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and 
Alt+Tab isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's 
happening, I can't lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do 
anything]. But sure, if I happen to have an application open, maybe it 
stays running. [I haven't ever tested that.]

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>> Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by
>> default?
>
> You mean, the ability for programs on two cooperating machines to bypass
> both their firewalls and NATs? Yes.

So Microsoft has secretly implemented an undocumented system to allow 
any unauthenticated Internet node to bypass all security restrictions 
and access any port on a Windows PC? And they've turned this on by 
default in every Windows installation in the land?

...now I'm scared. o_O

(Although I still don't quite get how it can bypass a firewall that 
doesn't allow inbound traffic. Still, Wikipedia says it does, so it must 
be true.)

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On 10/11/2011 12:58, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi or
> something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.

Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what 
Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.

> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and Alt+Tab
> isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's happening, I can't
> lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do anything]. But sure, if I
> happen to have an application open, maybe it stays running. [I haven't ever
> tested that.]

I have never had any of the problems you're describing, nor do I know anyone 
else who has. Not since Win98, at least.  Maybe you should look in your 
event manager and see what's happening.

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On 10/11/2011 13:02, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> So Microsoft has secretly implemented an undocumented system to allow any
> unauthenticated Internet node to bypass all security restrictions and access
> any port on a Windows PC?

You mean the "secret" IPv6 standard documentation on how to do this tunneling?

> (Although I still don't quite get how it can bypass a firewall that doesn't
> allow inbound traffic. Still, Wikipedia says it does, so it must be true.)

The same way IPv4 ssh does. It tunnels out first.  It's not like anyone can 
connect to your machine that you don't know about, any more than returning 
IP packets from a TCP connection "bypass" your firewall.

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On 11/10/2011 09:12 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what
> Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.

Yeah, why is that exactly?

Not that this is limited to *laptops*, unfortunately...

>> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and
>> Alt+Tab
>> isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's happening, I
>> can't
>> lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do anything]. But
>> sure, if I
>> happen to have an application open, maybe it stays running. [I haven't
>> ever
>> tested that.]
>
> I have never had any of the problems you're describing, nor do I know
> anyone else who has. Not since Win98, at least. Maybe you should look in
> your event manager and see what's happening.

IME, the event logs are often maddeningly silent when an actual problem 
happens and you dearly want to know why.

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On 10/11/2011 13:16, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 09:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
>
>> Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what
>> Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.
>
> Yeah, why is that exactly?

I have no idea. Other than getting their logo in your face. There's an awful 
lot of stuff that sticks itself in the notification tray that doesn't need 
to be notifying you.

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On 10/11/2011 8:45 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 04:38 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
>> On 10/6/2011 3:01 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> What worries me is the possibility of a theory not being taken
>>>>> seriously
>>>>> because nobody likes it, rather than because the theory doesn't
>>>>> work...
>>>>
>>>> That has happened before, and it will happen again.
>>>
>>> Any concrete examples?
>>>
>>> Every example I know of where a theory wasn't believed because it seemed
>>> too silly, eventually facts won out.
>>
>> Creationists vs Evolution?
>
> Not really, no.
>
> The entire scientific community unanimously agrees that creationism is
> nonsense. It's the general public that fall for that one.

Even most of the general public doesn't, just a, sadly, large segment, 
who don't know what it says, so can't tell the difference between the 
real thing, and the gibberish an even smaller number of nuts, 
theologians, and con artists, says it is.

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On 10/11/2011 12:58 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 08:41 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your
>>> TCP/IP
>>> configuration settings?
>>
>> Um, no?
>>
>>> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
>>> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you
>>> change it
>>> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)
>>
>> Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?
>
> It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi
> or something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.
>
>>> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly
>>> drastic difference...
>>
>> Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks
>> up" on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because
>> you just crashed the X server.
>
> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and
> Alt+Tab isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's
> happening, I can't lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do
> anything]. But sure, if I happen to have an application open, maybe it
> stays running. [I haven't ever tested that.]
>
This is actually possibly the case. I have had "other" things cause a 
similar result. Generally, they peg some process, or memory handling, or 
something to max, and only lock the application *causing it*. The 
problem of course being, if you are in the application that created the 
problem, the whole thing seems to stop bloody working, and you can't get 
out of it, to do anything else, including ctrl-alt-del.

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