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>> Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged
>> area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used to
>> see them almost daily.
>
> I did as well, but then I switched to Linux. I think in the 15 years or
> so I've been using Linux now, I've seen the kernel panic maybe twice (and
> the second time was trying to reproduce the first time so I could file a
> bug report).
I've seen plenty of Linux kernel panics. Usually just after you finished
installing Linux [or so you thought]. Assuming you get it to actually
work properly in the first place, it seems pretty rock solid, as far as
I can tell.
>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because
>> the description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the
>> connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
>
> First hit on Google:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889000
>
> That article links to another that says it's an informational message and
> can be safely ignored.
I love the way it says this issue happens with SP2, and there's a
hotfix, but doesn't say whether that's included in SP3 or not.
>> Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an
>> extensive user manual. Today you get far less.
>
> Depends on the compiler and the language. One example of an esoteric
> compiler used by a small group of people doesn't make a 'trend'.
It's a data-point I happen to have to hand. I'm sure it's not hard to
find plenty of others.
>> Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost me
>> £80. (!!)
>
> Meh. I paid something like $250 for the Borland C compiler when I was in
> college (or just before I went to college). I probably still have it
> somewhere.
I still have an illegal copy of Borland Turbo Pascal 5.5 for MS-DOS on
3" floppies somewhere...
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On 19/04/2011 05:13 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
>> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
>
> MRxSmb
Wow, that's some impressive guesswork.
> Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe
> the different parts of the stack.
Great if you already happen to know about that somehow.
> The "redirector" is the part that
> takes the request to X:\... and turns it into a request to
> \\server\share\... by intercepting the request and redirecting it to the
> appropriate networking layers.
>
> The connector is, I think, the part that actually transports the SMB
> protocol over an underlying protocol.
I suppose I shouldn't complain too much. It's not like Linux documents
this stuff either...
Oh, wait. Windows costs hundreds of pounds, while Linux is given away
for free. Hmm, OK, maybe I should complain. :-P
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:29:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1144
>>
>> Now you're beginning to understand. ;)
>>
>> You're actually the star in a real-life edition of "The Truman Show".
>
> Man, I hope the ratings are *awesome*! :-D
You bet, but you need to do better with the product placement. :)
Jim
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On 4/19/2011 11:40, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Good documentation with crap software doesn't really go far either.
True, but at least with half-decent documentation, people might be more
willing to help. If you can't even tell if what you're doing was *supposed*
to work, even those who could improve it will be at a loss.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:38:30 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged
>>> area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used
>>> to see them almost daily.
>>
>> I did as well, but then I switched to Linux. I think in the 15 years
>> or so I've been using Linux now, I've seen the kernel panic maybe twice
>> (and the second time was trying to reproduce the first time so I could
>> file a bug report).
>
> I've seen plenty of Linux kernel panics. Usually just after you finished
> installing Linux [or so you thought]. Assuming you get it to actually
> work properly in the first place, it seems pretty rock solid, as far as
> I can tell.
Well, I've only got about 15 years' experience working with it, and have
it running on - let's see....9 machines in the house (including my router
- a non-Intel platform at that). Oh, and two phones running Android.
Make that 3, my stepson's phone also runs Android.
A couple of the machines are identical laptops; a couple are off-the-
shelf desktops, and one is a custom-built system.
I'll reiterate: Only 2 kernel panics in 15 years.
How many times have you installed Linux and how recently?
>>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then,
>>> because the description merely says "the redirector failed to
>>> determine the connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection?
>>> WTF?)
>>
>> First hit on Google:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889000
>>
>> That article links to another that says it's an informational message
>> and can be safely ignored.
>
> I love the way it says this issue happens with SP2, and there's a
> hotfix, but doesn't say whether that's included in SP3 or not.
I don't see that that matters - they document that it's informational and
nothing to worry about.
Oh, and guessing it had to do with SMB? MRx*Smb* (emphasis added). ;)
>>> Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an
>>> extensive user manual. Today you get far less.
>>
>> Depends on the compiler and the language. One example of an esoteric
>> compiler used by a small group of people doesn't make a 'trend'.
>
> It's a data-point I happen to have to hand. I'm sure it's not hard to
> find plenty of others.
Sure, but the plural of anecdote isn't data (as Darren has said). I can
provide counter-examples until the sun goes down and what would that
accomplish? We have different anecdotes that support different points of
view. Big deal.
>>> Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost
>>> me £80. (!!)
>>
>> Meh. I paid something like $250 for the Borland C compiler when I was
>> in college (or just before I went to college). I probably still have
>> it somewhere.
>
> I still have an illegal copy of Borland Turbo Pascal 5.5 for MS-DOS on
> 3" floppies somewhere...
I still have a legal copy somewhere in the basement, if it's not water-
damaged. Probably still the Turbo Prolog compiler as well.
Jim
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On 4/19/2011 13:33, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> POV-Ray, anyone?
POV-Ray is an excellent example of good documentation. Apache is good, PHP
isn't bad, gcc is pretty good (given it's implementing languages with
external specs, etc).
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 4/19/2011 13:40, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 19/04/2011 05:13 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 4/19/2011 8:55, Invisible wrote:
>>> How did you know it's something to do with SMB?
>>
>> MRxSmb
>
> Wow, that's some impressive guesswork.
Thank you. It comes with experience.
>> Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe
>> the different parts of the stack.
>
> Great if you already happen to know about that somehow.
It's your job to learn this stuff. Now you know. Go read up how it works. :-)
> Oh, wait. Windows costs hundreds of pounds, while Linux is given away for
> free. Hmm, OK, maybe I should complain. :-P
But it *is* documented. Indeed, I gave you the microsoft links that document
it. A trivial search showed the answer to your question on microsoft's site.
Why do you keep complaining that Microsoft doesn't document this stuff,
especially in response to a thread that points you at the microsoft
documentation found with a trivial search of the obvious?
Hundreds of pounds doesn't pay for someone to come and telepathically inject
into your brain the answers.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:31:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I remember reading about a memory of library stuff who saw somebody
> using Telnet. She screamed "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE HACKING OUR COMPUTERS!!!"
> and turned the computer off at the wall. The guy tried to explain what
> he was actually doing, but she wouldn't have it.
>
> Apparently there are a lot of stupid people...
There are a lot of uneducated people, certainly.
Jim
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On 19/04/2011 10:11 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:31:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> I remember reading about a memory of library stuff who saw somebody
>> using Telnet. She screamed "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE HACKING OUR COMPUTERS!!!"
>> and turned the computer off at the wall. The guy tried to explain what
>> he was actually doing, but she wouldn't have it.
>>
>> Apparently there are a lot of stupid people...
>
> There are a lot of uneducated people, certainly.
Being uneducated is one thing. Assuming that you know what you're
talking about when you don't is another.
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>> Man, I hope the ratings are *awesome*! :-D
>
> You bet, but you need to do better with the product placement. :)
OMG, you guys know where I place my products?! o_O
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