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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:05:37
Message: <4da73771$1@news.povray.org>
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On 4/14/2011 10:22, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>> First, I think this is a relatively recent phenomenon. I don't remember
>> anything beyond arguing over abortion and making fun of TV megachurch
>> preachers until maybe 20 years ago. Nobody argued over evolution or kicked
>> people out of school for saying "One Nation Under God" or whatever. Religion
>> was just a non-subject for the most part.
>
> I don't think that's completely true. See for example:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial
Not completely true, no. But I mean this trial was a big thing even at the
time, with the arguments coming from presidential candidates and such.
I didn't literally mean *nobody* argued over evolution. Just that it wasn't
a part of the normal culture. I never heard of anyone filing a lawsuit over
christmas trees on government lawns, or over saying "under god" in school
each morning, or getting kicked out for wearing a t-shirt that says you're
an atheist or wearing christian jewelry. You got yelled at for writing
swear words on the blackboard, not religious words. None of that crap was
part of the daily political scene 25 years ago.
You can point to a well-publicized big thing like that, but that's like
showing one airliner crash and saying "see, since it was in all the news,
planes must be much more dangerous than cars."
On the other hand, maybe back before 1950 or so, it *was* a bigger thing. I
wasn't around to take note, tho.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:15:35
Message: <4da739c7$1@news.povray.org>
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On 4/14/2011 10:38, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> First you laugh...
> ...and then you weep.
http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/10000/8000/900/118932/118932.strip.print.gif
Today's, relevant.
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:17:30
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Darren New escreveu:
> On 4/14/2011 10:38, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> First you laugh...
>> ...and then you weep.
>
>
http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/10000/8000/900/118932/118932.strip.print.gif
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>
> Today's, relevant.
a true dickhead. lol
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:48:31
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> On 4/14/2011 10:04, Warp wrote:
> > Darren New<dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> >> Saying "shut down 80% of the power plants in your
> >> country and go back to 19th century technology" is something else.
> >
> > How about "shut down 80% of the power plants in your country and move
> > to the 21st century already"? Producing energy by eg. burning coal is just
> > utterly stupid.
> And what would you suggest for (say) a country that wants to industrialize
> that doesn't have the infrastructure to build nuclear reactors? A big city
> in Kenya, say, where 50 miles away people still spin wool by hand? How are
> you going to build a safe nuclear reactor? Or do you want to Chernobyl all
> over again?
And do you think burning coal is the solution?
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:50:44
Message: <4da74204@news.povray.org>
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> On 4/14/2011 10:16, Warp wrote:
> > fuels will last forever.
> No, but there's a whole lot more natural gas and coal left than there ever
> was oil. :-) It's just inconvenient to power vehicles with it.
Did you see the lecture I posted in another thread? Even if there is
more natural gas and coal than oil, it won't last long because the
consumption rate is growing exponentially.
The only way to make it last longer is to halt the consumption rate
growth.
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:52:51
Message: <4da74283@news.povray.org>
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
> Now *that* is a good question. There are many followers of the
> Republican party that I know of who think the religious fundamentalist
> whackjobs are out of their minds, but they want fiscal conservatism and
> the only way to get that (that they can see) is to vote for the religious
> fundamentalist whackjobs because the alternative are those "pinko-commie-
> socialist liberals" in the Democratic party.
When will the Americans realize that a two-party system does not work
very well?
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:53:04
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On 4/14/2011 11:48, Warp wrote:
> And do you think burning coal is the solution?
A solution to global warming? No. A solution to running out of oil? Quite
possibly. A solution to having a power generation technology that a poor
uneducated population can use without fear of actually killing people on the
other side of the world when they screw up? Sure.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 14:55:30
Message: <4da74322@news.povray.org>
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> I didn't literally mean *nobody* argued over evolution. Just that it wasn't
> a part of the normal culture. I never heard of anyone filing a lawsuit over
> christmas trees on government lawns, or over saying "under god" in school
> each morning, or getting kicked out for wearing a t-shirt that says you're
> an atheist or wearing christian jewelry.
I don't understand how it can be legal to expel someone for the sole
reason of wearing a t-shirt that says you're an atheist. That *sounds*
like blatant discrimination and grounds for a juicy lawsuit (not to talk
it being unconstitutional).
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 15:03:38
Message: <4da7450a$1@news.povray.org>
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On 4/14/2011 11:50, Warp wrote:
> The only way to make it last longer is to halt the consumption rate
> growth.
Agreed. And that's why there's so much debate in the global warming circles.
How do you halt the consumption of fossil fuels without killing (or throwing
back to pre-industrial age technology) large numbers of people?
You look at graphs like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PU200611_Fig1.png
and you have to wonder who is kidding whom. There's no way for a layman to
look at that and guess who is right and who is wrong and who is lying.
You look at graphs like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_history.svg
and ask "say we cut our fossil fuel usage in half today. Then what?"
While I think that nuclear energy is probably a good idea, it's hard to deny
that it can have wide impacts when done wrong, and we don't seem to be able
to do them right yet. Even if technologically we know how to build a
completely safe reactor, we'll still have the china syndrome going on. (Not
the meltdown, but the moral of the movie.)
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A kind of revolution is happening in the United States
Date: 14 Apr 2011 15:04:11
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> On 4/14/2011 11:48, Warp wrote:
> > And do you think burning coal is the solution?
> A solution to global warming? No. A solution to running out of oil? Quite
> possibly. A solution to having a power generation technology that a poor
> uneducated population can use without fear of actually killing people on the
> other side of the world when they screw up? Sure.
Burning coal is only a temporary solution, and a bad one. I don't think
poor countries need any more pollution than they already have. (After all,
many parts of eg. Africa are already really polluted. For example, many
rivers that used to be pristine 100 and even 50 years ago are nowadays so
polluted that you could clean your paintbrushes in them. You certainly
wouldn't want to swim in them.)
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