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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 6 Jul 2008 19:28:03
Message: <48715503@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
>>   Own a TV (or, for that matter, any device capable of decoding TV
>> signal)? Tax.
> 
> Not quite that here, no. But you pay to receive the signal at all in 
> most places, by paying the cable company. We never got a TV tax, but 
> then we never got government television stations either.

	PBS stations don't count as government stations?

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 6 Jul 2008 20:18:55
Message: <487160ef$1@news.povray.org>
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>     PBS stations don't count as government stations?

I was thinking about that. As far as I can tell, no. NPR isn't (much) 
funded by the government (any more), and it's really composed of a bunch 
of local radio stations all joining in.  NPR is more like a supplier of 
content than a radio station owner, more like "Visa" than a bank, for 
example.

I don't know how much funding they get these days from the government, 
but I don't think it's enough that I'd call it a "government station".

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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From: scott
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 03:14:33
Message: <4871c259$1@news.povray.org>
>  And do you even know how much gasoline/diesel costs here? An American
> would drop his jaw into the ground if he saw it. Translated to the US
> units, gasoline is about 9.5 dollars/gallon, and diesel is 8.3.

We're up to $9/gallon for diesel and $9.50/gallon for petrol here in Germany 
now.

>  Oh, and cars cost almost double what they cost, for example, in Germany
> because of all the taxes. (In Germany, IIRC, a tax of 16% is put on the
> price of sold cars, while in Finland it's something like 96%.)

It went up to 19% here last year, but still small compared to the 96%!  That 
is a bit ridiculous.

>  Not only that, you have to pay mandatory annual car insurance (good
> thing, I suppose)

I wouldn't like to live somewhere without mandatory car insurance, is there 
any civilised country that does not demand that?

> as well as a mandatory annual car tax (you receive
> nothing in return, it's a *pure* tax for simply *owning* a car, without
> any benefits).

In the UK you need to pay the annual "road tax", if you want to drive or 
park your vehicle on the public roads.

>  On the plus side, you'll usually get a fast broadband internet connection
> for a quite moderate price here.

Plus, I assume you also get a lot more holiday per year than is usual in 
USA.  Most countries in Europe seem to have 4-6 weeks holiday per year as 
standard.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 04:02:09
Message: <4871cd81@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> >  Oh, and cars cost almost double what they cost, for example, in Germany
> > because of all the taxes. (In Germany, IIRC, a tax of 16% is put on the
> > price of sold cars, while in Finland it's something like 96%.)

> It went up to 19% here last year, but still small compared to the 96%!  That 
> is a bit ridiculous.

  Still not as ridiculous as in Denmark, where it is, AFAIK, 210%...

> > as well as a mandatory annual car tax (you receive
> > nothing in return, it's a *pure* tax for simply *owning* a car, without
> > any benefits).

> In the UK you need to pay the annual "road tax", if you want to drive or 
> park your vehicle on the public roads.

  OTOH I assume that means that if you own 2 cars you don't have to pay
twice?

> >  On the plus side, you'll usually get a fast broadband internet connection
> > for a quite moderate price here.

> Plus, I assume you also get a lot more holiday per year than is usual in 
> USA.  Most countries in Europe seem to have 4-6 weeks holiday per year as 
> standard.

  Yeah, that's quite cool. And moreover, by law you get an increased salary
during your holiday here.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 04:11:10
Message: <4871cf9e$1@news.povray.org>
>  Still not as ridiculous as in Denmark, where it is, AFAIK, 210%...

Hmmm, looking back to when I used to visit Denmark a lot, maybe that 
explains why there were so many old cars on the roads?  So really, a car 



>> In the UK you need to pay the annual "road tax", if you want to drive or
>> park your vehicle on the public roads.
>
>  OTOH I assume that means that if you own 2 cars you don't have to pay
> twice?


depending on how polluting the vehicle is.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 04:27:14
Message: <4871d361@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> >  Still not as ridiculous as in Denmark, where it is, AFAIK, 210%...

> Hmmm, looking back to when I used to visit Denmark a lot, maybe that 
> explains why there were so many old cars on the roads?  So really, a car 



  And it's not like you could just go to Germany, buy a car and bring it
to Finland. You'll have to pay the 96% of tax when you bring the car, so
no such luck...

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From: scott
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 04:37:38
Message: <4871d5d2$1@news.povray.org>
>  And it's not like you could just go to Germany, buy a car and bring it
> to Finland. You'll have to pay the 96% of tax when you bring the car, so
> no such luck...

Yeh I guessed as much.

I assume you're allowed foreign registered cars there for a certain amount 
of time, it's 6 months here I think.  You could just replace your car in 
Germany every 6 months, although I'm sure they thought of that already and 
made it illegal.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 06:00:34
Message: <m9q374pncdj9dqksg6g780hinmlh4k5o1j@4ax.com>
On 6 Jul 2008 14:09:20 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>The answer I was always told was "because there are no bones in ice 
>cream".

It is a question (?) that I rediscover every time I hear it. It makes no sense
:)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 12:24:48
Message: <48724350$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>>  Still not as ridiculous as in Denmark, where it is, AFAIK, 210%...
> 
> Hmmm, looking back to when I used to visit Denmark a lot, maybe that 
> explains why there were so many old cars on the roads?  So really, a car 


> 

The car manufacturers sell cars cheaper to countries with higher taxes 
to compensate the difference. It doesn't remove the difference, though, 
just makes it a bit smaller.

But a good example: Audi A4 2.0TDI FWD with Business pack and no other 


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: The decline of mindpower
Date: 7 Jul 2008 12:27:57
Message: <4872440d@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>>  And it's not like you could just go to Germany, buy a car and bring it
>> to Finland. You'll have to pay the 96% of tax when you bring the car, so
>> no such luck...

If the car is used (IIRC 6+months old), you'll get discount from the tax 
and it's not *that* much anymore (it still is much, just not *that* much).

> Yeh I guessed as much.
> 
> I assume you're allowed foreign registered cars there for a certain 
> amount of time, it's 6 months here I think.  You could just replace your 
> car in Germany every 6 months, although I'm sure they thought of that 
> already and made it illegal.
> 

Nnnope, a Finnish person ain't allowed to drive foreign-registered car 
in Finland. It wasn't so long ago when the news had a great story about 
some Estonian guy with a Finnish wife/gf - she moved his Porsche for 10m 
oslt and Finland started to demand them to pay cartax (that 96%) of that 
Porsche.

-- 
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
    http://www.zbxt.net
       aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid


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