> Wait - Wine attempts to perform emulation at the API level?

Yes, that's the ONLY thing it does. Well, and some tweaking for the PE 
executable format, but not much more.

> Damn, that's even harder than hardware emulation! o_O [At least the 
> hardware is mostly documented somewhere...]

Correct, it doesn't emulate hardware. It's not an emulator. WINE = Wine 
Is Not an Emulator.

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>> [What's it made of? Lead??]
> 
> Silicon, mostly. a few threads of gold, maybe a ceramic outer case, with 
>  a very small possibility of a heat-conducting metal pad. :D

AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+?

Have you *seen* the heat sink??

It's bigger than the damn CPU - by at least an order of magnitude!

I'm presuming the whole thing is encased in solid metal to promote heat 
dissapation or something...

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> Tht was an answer, not a question. :-)
>>
> 
> You were talking about the slow-ass GMail web interface?

No, I was talking about how many people use supercomputers to read email.

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>> It's a direct dump of the binary format internal structure into XML. 
>> When you see a tag called <useWord97LineBreaks>, what should your 
>> implementation do?
> 
> I would assume you would need to know what the behavior difference in a 
> Word97 linebreak versus a normal line break.

...which, conveniently, isn't defined in the standard document.

IIRC, this is why the standard was rejected until M$ redraft it...

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>>> In which universe is a machine with a 200 GB HD and more than 1 GB of
>>> RAM considered "moderate"? That sounds pretty high-end to me...
>>
>> My 3+ year old desktop is slightly higher spec'ed than that.
>> High end today is quad core processor, 4 GB+ memory and 1/2 TB disk 
>> space.
> 
> Damn - what on earth could you possibly use 1 TB of disk for?? o_O

http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20030103
Last panel.

Or, yeah, illegal downloads. (Those are overlapping categories anyway.)

Or how about PNGs from every single POV-Ray animation you do, including 
test renders? :)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> That's using a supercomputer - or more accurately, an entire cluster of 
> perfectly ordinary computers - to *store* your email, not read it.

Given that computers can't read (as such), I think you're reading too 
much into "read your email".  Certainly without the google computer 
cluster, you wouldn't be using gmail to read your email. That the email 
text actually has to be delivered to your screen is kind of irrelevant, 
IMO. :-)

> I still contend that AmigaDOS was easier than any version of Windoze 
> I've ever touched. But I'm minority like that...

I agree. A shame it didn't keep up with the times.

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>> Wait - Wine attempts to perform emulation at the API level?
> 
> Yes, that's the ONLY thing it does. Well, and some tweaking for the PE 
> executable format, but not much more.

I am seriously surprised that something like CSS - which is a little 
unstable with a *real* copy of Windoze - could be coaxed to actually 
work properly using any kind of emulation technology. I mean, just think 
of the level of low-level performance-squeezing trickery that goes into 
a headline games title like that... it's staggering! o_O

> Correct, it doesn't emulate hardware. It's not an emulator. WINE = Wine 
> Is Not an Emulator.

Did I ever mention that I really *hate* recursive acronyms?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Damn - what on earth could you possibly use 1 TB of disk for?? o_O

Anything having to do with processing media, yes.  Certainly any company 
can easily fill a terabyte without too much effort.

I mean, come on, you can go down to the corner store and by a 750G disk 
drive for ... well, way cheap, here.

> Dual-core is becomming common, but I don't think I've met anybody yet 
> who can afford quad-core. (Since that almost necessarily requires you to 
> buy Intel, who are still quite expensive.)

Again, for businesses, it's not an issue.

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>> I still contend that AmigaDOS was easier than any version of Windoze 
>> I've ever touched. But I'm minority like that...
> 
> I agree. A shame it didn't keep up with the times.

It would *hardly* be the first time a superior technology has vanished 
for reasons unrelated to technology... sadly... :-(

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> That's using a supercomputer - or more accurately, an entire cluster 
>> of perfectly ordinary computers - to *store* your email, not read it.
> 
> Given that computers can't read (as such), I think you're reading too 
> much into "read your email".  Certainly without the google computer 
> cluster, you wouldn't be using gmail to read your email. That the email 
> text actually has to be delivered to your screen is kind of irrelevant, 
> IMO. :-)
> 
>> I still contend that AmigaDOS was easier than any version of Windoze 
>> I've ever touched. But I'm minority like that...
> 
> I agree. 
me too
> A shame it didn't keep up with the times.
> 
yes

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