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From: St 
Subject: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 13:50:09
Message: <46daf7d1@news.povray.org>
Are they worst people in the world, or not?

  Ok, they've got a job to do, I know. Some people are real pricks and 
certainly deserve a ticket (or being clamped) for where they're parked, 
that's for sure. But, what about the 'Little Hitler' wardens? Are they Scum 
or what? And I mean Scum too.

    Yes, yes, I got a ticket - first one ever in 20 years of driving. It 
wouldn't be so bad if I was on double yellows, or parked/blocked somewhere I 
shouldn't have, BUT, take a look at the attached, that car isn't mine, but 
that's *exactly* how I parked on the 24th August. It's a TWO CAR BAY. The 
reason I got a ticket? My rear wheels were over the back line just like that 
car. I took that picture this morning, but wait, it's Sunday, I doubt if he 
got a ticket...

   You know, I'm raging with anger about it, really. That image is being 
printed out and sent with a letter to the local council. I'll first get them 
to admit that it's a two car bay, and then I'll argue why the bay isn't big 
enough for two cars*, and if they say it is, (which they can't), I'll ask 

they insist I pay it, I'll pay it, but it will cost THEM 5 times as much, 
and then I'll have MY satisfaction!  >:o(

    This is why the world is angry.

         ~Steve~

   *Two years ago, I watched some council workers out of that very window 
measuring that very bay and all of the bays in that road - but then nothing 
happened, no change whatsoever. Why did they do that?


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From: St 
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 14:29:58
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For clarification.


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 16:11:16
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Woah there... do *not* annoy Steve! o_O










My dad gets annoyed about his neighbors. They insist on parking a large 
van exactly on the corner of the road where my dad's driveway is. This 
in spite of the fact that their own drive is empty, and there are not 
one but 2 empty laybys within 18 feet on the van.

My dad tells me that when he wins the lottery, he's going to be a 
****-of Big Foot. And he's going to drive it down the road and 
accidentally mutilate that van. Sure, he'll probably have to pay for a 
new van. But at least it'll be mutilated then.

Hmm, come to think of it... don't upset my dad! ._.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 17:17:41
Message: <46db2875$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46db18e4$1@news.povray.org...
> Woah there... do *not* annoy Steve! o_O

    No, you've got that wrong, plenty of things, plenty of people can annoy 
me, but just do it fairly, that's all I ask. I'm a hands-up guy for 
something I've done wrong, no problem, but two rear wheels over a line?! I 
didn't even know it was against the law to do that (and I've done that 
particular parking in that same spot LOADS of times - no ticket). So a smart 
car would be ok, but a long car like mine (Rover 820) and the one in the 
image is not? Let's get real here, prejudice against long cars is not 
illegal?

    Bar Stewards.






> My dad gets annoyed about his neighbors. They insist on parking a large 
> van exactly on the corner of the road where my dad's driveway is. This in 
> spite of the fact that their own drive is empty, and there are not one but 
> 2 empty laybys within 18 feet on the van.
>
> My dad tells me that when he wins the lottery, he's going to be a ****-of 
> Big Foot. And he's going to drive it down the road and accidentally 
> mutilate that van.

  No, not accidently, on purpose - and I don't blame him. I hope he's asked 
nicely in the past though before he crushes that van...




 Sure, he'll probably have to pay for a
> new van. But at least it'll be mutilated then.
>
> Hmm, come to think of it... don't upset my dad! ._.

    I now know where he's coming from. You should learn from him. I didn't 
have a real Dad to learn from. (Well, I did, but a late Victorian 
Grandfather that I called 'Dad'). My Grandad was my father in spirit. F*ck, 
I miss him though - really. He was a great guy, he taught me to be the way 
he was in a new world that he didn't know. I wish I knew him now at my age, 
but, he's gone.

     ~Steve~


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 18:21:30
Message: <46db376a$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:
>  Are they worst people in the world, or not?
> 
>   Ok, they've got a job to do, I know. Some people are real pricks and 
> certainly deserve a ticket (or being clamped) for where they're parked, 
> that's for sure. But, what about the 'Little Hitler' wardens? Are they Scum 
> or what? And I mean Scum too.
> 
>     Yes, yes, I got a ticket - first one ever in 20 years of driving. It 
> wouldn't be so bad if I was on double yellows, or parked/blocked somewhere I 
> shouldn't have, BUT, take a look at the attached, that car isn't mine, but 
> that's *exactly* how I parked on the 24th August. It's a TWO CAR BAY. The 
> reason I got a ticket? My rear wheels were over the back line just like that 
> car. I took that picture this morning, but wait, it's Sunday, I doubt if he 
> got a ticket...
> 
>    You know, I'm raging with anger about it, really. That image is being 
> printed out and sent with a letter to the local council. I'll first get them 
> to admit that it's a two car bay, and then I'll argue why the bay isn't big 
> enough for two cars*, and if they say it is, (which they can't), I'll ask 

> they insist I pay it, I'll pay it, but it will cost THEM 5 times as much, 
> and then I'll have MY satisfaction!  >:o(
> 
>     This is why the world is angry.
> 
>          ~Steve~
> 
>    *Two years ago, I watched some council workers out of that very window 
> measuring that very bay and all of the bays in that road - but then nothing 
> happened, no change whatsoever. Why did they do that?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
Dunno Steve, I'm thinking you'll loose this one.  I mean suppose the 
foreward car was some big mother Esplanade or something else huge, a 
motor home or something, such that it is taking most of the space.  Are 
you going to insist that because it is a 'two-car' space you can park 
your minicoup or whatever, and block the guy's drive, just because maybe 
you can get your front nose over the line and into some fraction of the 
space?  Or what if 4 motor bikes were there?  Seems like you could park 
whatever you want as long as you don't violate the end markings, but if 
you can't fit your car in, however reasonable its size, then you just can't?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 2 Sep 2007 23:38:13
Message: <46db81a5$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:12:30 +0100, Orchid XP v3 wrote:

> My dad tells me that when he wins the lottery, he's going to be a
> ****-of Big Foot. And he's going to drive it down the road and
> accidentally mutilate that van. Sure, he'll probably have to pay for a
> new van. But at least it'll be mutilated then.

There are days where I wish I was driving a real beater (something worth 
< $200) on the road, just so I could ram people who are being stupid 
idiots.

The roll cage and reinforced bumpers *might* just be a giveaway though...

Jim


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From: St 
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 3 Sep 2007 02:18:46
Message: <46dba746@news.povray.org>
"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
news:46db376a$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>>  Are they worst people in the world, or not?

> Dunno Steve, I'm thinking you'll loose this one.  I mean suppose the 
> foreward car was some big mother Esplanade or something else huge, a motor 
> home or something, such that it is taking most of the space.  Are you 
> going to insist that because it is a 'two-car' space you can park your 
> minicoup or whatever, and block the guy's drive, just because maybe you 
> can get your front nose over the line and into some fraction of the space? 
> Or what if 4 motor bikes were there?  Seems like you could park whatever 
> you want as long as you don't violate the end markings, but if you can't 
> fit your car in, however reasonable its size, then you just can't?

   Oh, I know I'll lose, I'm prepared to pay. As for parking there if there 
was a bigger vehicle parked there, and say, there was only half a space, I 
just wouldn't park there, knowing full well that I'd probably get a ticket 
with half a car stuck out the back end. But, what's that distance in the 
picture? A foot? 18 inches? It's just petty, that's all. My main point is if 
it's going to be a two car bay, then make sure that it's big enough for two 
cars in the first place, otherwise, what's the point?

    ~Steve~


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From: scott
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 3 Sep 2007 03:16:29
Message: <46dbb4cd$1@news.povray.org>
> There are days where I wish I was driving a real beater (something worth
> < $200) on the road, just so I could ram people who are being stupid
> idiots.

Oh when I left university I didn't have much money and I got my car for £50 
from someone who was going to scrap it.  There was a big dent in the driver 
side door and a few other smaller dents.  You would not believe how many 
people got out of the way when there was a "fight" for position on the road 
(like 2 lanes going down into 1) - it really was cool.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 3 Sep 2007 03:22:43
Message: <46dbb643@news.povray.org>
>   Oh, I know I'll lose, I'm prepared to pay. As for parking there if there 
> was a bigger vehicle parked there, and say, there was only half a space, I 
> just wouldn't park there, knowing full well that I'd probably get a ticket 
> with half a car stuck out the back end. But, what's that distance in the 
> picture? A foot? 18 inches? It's just petty, that's all. My main point is 
> if it's going to be a two car bay, then make sure that it's big enough for 
> two cars in the first place, otherwise, what's the point?

Both cars in the photo look pretty large cars.  Two smaller cars (or even 
one big and one small) would fit easily in there.

BTW, why is it illegal there to park outside the marked bays?  There doesn't 
seem to be any yellow lines, or does it say on the sign "parking only in 
marked bays"?  Around where I used to live people always parked how you did 
and nobody got a ticket.

If it was me, I would write in the letter for a clarification of exactly 
what the white line means.  Does your entire tyre foot-print have to be 
inside the inner border of the line, or is it allowed to be on the line.  Or 
does it mean your entire car must be inside the line, overhangs and all, and 
which side of the line counts... etc.  If they don't have a detailed policy 
on this then how can they prosecute people in a fair way, it's probably 
against some European human rights thingy that they have to treat everyone 
fairly.. blah blah blah.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: traffic wardens (Grrr!)
Date: 3 Sep 2007 04:08:16
Message: <46dbc0f0$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:16:28 +0200, scott wrote:

> Oh when I left university I didn't have much money and I got my car for
> £50 from someone who was going to scrap it.  There was a big dent in the
> driver side door and a few other smaller dents.  You would not believe
> how many people got out of the way when there was a "fight" for position
> on the road (like 2 lanes going down into 1) - it really was cool.

I can imagine.  There was a staffer where I went to university who worked 
deals like that on cars, I imagine he also didn't have to fight hard to 
get position on the road. :-)

Jim


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