"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
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> Ahh. Okay, I see what you mean on the 'pettiness' point, that you are not 
> really doing harm, and the marking is a guideline.  You might even get a 
> break there.

    I doubt it Jim. You don't know our local (money-strapped, bollox) 
councils. But, I'll try to see if I can get off it. Let's see what 
happens... Two images and a printed letter is heading their way tomorrow...


 > I mean if expanding the zone is common practice.

    No, it's not at all common practice, (not around here anyway, maybe 
London or other cities). Once painted, it's there until you start dying of 
old age. There have been cases where if double yellow lines (bad, don't park 
there), have frayed at the edges or the ends of the lines, then any penalty 
notices won't be entertained by the courts if said person takes a picture 
veryfying this.



 On
> the other hand maybe the owner of the driveway complained.

  No, no, I work there (some days, to meet customers). I get on well with 
the landlord. Even if he complained, (and doesn't know my car by now), the 
council wouldn't act on his say-so unless there really was a blockage of his 
driveway, they would come and ask me a few questions first I think...



 My brother
> lives in a very toney, leafy, old money section of Toronto with quiet, 
> wide streets. When I went to visit him once it became apparent that 
> parking was the undeclared war in the neighbourhood.  Before even saying 
> hello to me my sister-in-law asks me where I parked!

  Damn, that's bad...



In NY there is an
> actual measurement, 15 inches 2 feet? something like that, that applies to 
> driveways.  I know one fellow who actually took a picture of a situation 
> when he got ticketed but the parking bureau just told him that he could of 
> moved the car before taking the pic!  Obviously not, they were packed in 
> like sardines, if he could have he would have in the first place.

     Yeah, as numbers, we're just meant to take everything everyone throws 

go to jail in the end if you don't, and your life will be messed up 
bigtime."

    wtf.  Bringiton.



>
> I'm having problems on the 'two car' idea though.  I mean what is the 
> alternative?  Somehow try and mark the space for one 'full size' car and 
> limit it to that?

   The bay directly opposite is a 'one car' bay, but you could fit two 
'smart' cars in there, I reckon, but definately not two 'normal' cars.




 Then what do you do if you have something bigger? At
> least they are giving as much space as they can.  Seems to me they are 
> just saying here are the limits, use it however, just don't violate the 
> lines.


   And I've never seen this example written in stone yet. AFAIK, the local 
laws haven't been published to say that you can't park with your wheels 
outside of the line...

     It might be published somewhere, but it hasn't been put through my 
letterbox.




There are parking *meters* in NY here, usually at the back of a
> block, that are setup such that there is no way the space will accommodate 
> a full size model car.  And beware the driver who parks with his rear 
> bumper a fraction into the pedestrian crosswalk.  But hey, the city needs 
> the money, and everyone wants parking, and so if you have a small enough 
> car?  I mean think of it this way, maybe the sanctimonious little sh*t in 
> his little car, who gets the little space, would otherwise be taking the 
> full size space you need.  Lame, but the best I can do for you.

     Thanks Jim, I know you mean to help. Yes, if a smaller car took two 
spaces in a two car bay, then shouldn't it also get a ticket?


>
> What I hate?  Here the cops are all over yellow cabs for blocking traffic. 
> Meanwhile cab drivers suffer from kidney stones, driving 11 hours a shift 
> with no where to piss.  There are taxi relief stands, quite a lot of them 
> actually, but you would never know it.  Everyone just parks in them as if 
> they are free parking, and the signs are never enforced by these traffic 
> bums.

     Damn, Jim, that's bad. I thought I had hassles...  It's hard work to 
take a wizz? Man, I'd wizz in the back and blame the fares... (?)

      ~Steve~

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St. wrote:

>      Damn, Jim, that's bad. I thought I had hassles...  It's hard work to 
> take a wizz? Man, I'd wizz in the back and blame the fares... (?)
> 
Well there is what the younger guys smirkingly refer to as 'the bathroom 
in the taxi'

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St. wrote:
>  Are they worst people in the world, or not?
> 
>   Ok, they've got a job to do, I know. Some people are real pricks and 
> certainly deserve a ticket (or being clamped) for where they're parked, 
> that's for sure. But, what about the 'Little Hitler' wardens? Are they Scum 
> or what? And I mean Scum too.
> 
>     Yes, yes, I got a ticket - first one ever in 20 years of driving. It 
> wouldn't be so bad if I was on double yellows, or parked/blocked somewhere I 
> shouldn't have, BUT, take a look at the attached, that car isn't mine, but 
> that's *exactly* how I parked on the 24th August. It's a TWO CAR BAY. The 
> reason I got a ticket? My rear wheels were over the back line just like that 
> car. I took that picture this morning, but wait, it's Sunday, I doubt if he 
> got a ticket...
> 
>    You know, I'm raging with anger about it, really. That image is being 
> printed out and sent with a letter to the local council. I'll first get them 
> to admit that it's a two car bay, and then I'll argue why the bay isn't big 
> enough for two cars*, and if they say it is, (which they can't), I'll ask 

> they insist I pay it, I'll pay it, but it will cost THEM 5 times as much, 
> and then I'll have MY satisfaction!  >:o(
> 
>     This is why the world is angry.
> 
>          ~Steve~
> 
>    *Two years ago, I watched some council workers out of that very window 
> measuring that very bay and all of the bays in that road - but then nothing 
> happened, no change whatsoever. Why did they do that?
> 
> 
> 

Many years ago I got a ticket for parking on the wrong side of the road 
- against traffic.
It was a residential road with very little traffic, but bumper-bumper 
parking.  I saw a spot and parked it - there was no easy place to turn 
around that I saw.

20 minutes I come back to find a ticket - but there was no fine marked 
so I just ignored it.

30 days later I got a 'double fine' ticket in the mail for failure to 
pay.  I argued that one and sent a copy showing no fine marked.

They were actually very polite and sent a letter stating that even tho 
no fine was marked I had still broken the law and owed the fine - but 
they removed the penalty for not paying on time.

I think most of the time officers need to meet quotas or the 
municipality actually budgets the fines into their fiscal system.

I know MANY places that lower the speed limit by 10 mph for no reason at 
all just to place a speed trap.

Therefore you get screwed.

Oh well... tis life.

Sock it to em Steve!




Tom

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"Tom Austin" <taustin> wrote in message news:46dd5439$1@news.povray.org...

> Many years ago I got a ticket for parking on the wrong side of the road - 
> against traffic.
> It was a residential road with very little traffic, but bumper-bumper 
> parking.  I saw a spot and parked it - there was no easy place to turn 
> around that I saw.
>
> 20 minutes I come back to find a ticket - but there was no fine marked so 
> I just ignored it.


    You get a box on the ticket where the warden can check it if there's a 
fine to pay or not 'in their opinion'? Man, I wish we had that. Ours are 
just 'pay first, or else'.


>
> 30 days later I got a 'double fine' ticket in the mail for failure to pay. 
> I argued that one and sent a copy showing no fine marked.
>
> They were actually very polite and sent a letter stating that even tho no 
> fine was marked I had still broken the law and owed the fine - but they 
> removed the penalty for not paying on time.

     Ok, fair enough I suppose... but were you aware that it was illegal to 
park backwards where you are? I *think* it would be illegal here in the UK 
if it was a one-way street. I.E., the actual offence would be 'driving down 
a one-way street the wrong way and then parking incorrectly'. I would never 
do this, but if I did, I think that's the terms they would use... Or some 
code that no-one has ever heard of...




>
> I think most of the time officers need to meet quotas or the municipality 
> actually budgets the fines into their fiscal system.

       Well, I learnt that our new system is now 'self financing' which to 
me means 'get as many as you can in a day/week and everything will be all 
right Jack, you'll keep your job'.


>
> I know MANY places that lower the speed limit by 10 mph for no reason at 
> all just to place a speed trap.
>
> Therefore you get screwed.
>
> Oh well... tis life.

     Yeah, it's life, but it ain't right.


>
> Sock it to em Steve!

 :o) Thanks Tom! Well, I sent one good glossy print of that other (gold) car 
and asked why it's illegal when there is actually no danger to pedestrians 
or other road users, or not blocking that particular drive-way. (BTW, If 
you've been wondering, I work there, that's our office (hence the window 
shot) for this area. I could have parked freely in the space that you see in 
the foreground, (behind the walls), but two cars were taking up *my* 
official spaces, and I was only going to be there a couple of minutes on 
that day, so I parked where I did, and that wouldn't be the first time I did 
that).

    I've held the second image (the one with the red car, and the red car 
opposite that Scott kindly beamed in on) back. I'm hoping for some mistake 
on their part with this, because that's all I've got.




     ~Steve~



> Tom
>

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St. wrote:
> "Tom Austin" <taustin> wrote in message news:46dd5439$1@news.povray.org...
> 
> 
> 
>     You get a box on the ticket where the warden can check it if there's a 
> fine to pay or not 'in their opinion'? Man, I wish we had that. Ours are 
> just 'pay first, or else'.
> 

No, they just check the fine amount - none was checked on my ticket.
I think it is a standard fine for a particular infraction.
They try to make it generic enough to catch everything.

> 
>      Ok, fair enough I suppose... but were you aware that it was illegal to 
> park backwards where you are? I *think* it would be illegal here in the UK 
> if it was a one-way street. I.E., the actual offence would be 'driving down 
> a one-way street the wrong way and then parking incorrectly'. I would never 
> do this, but if I did, I think that's the terms they would use... Or some 
> code that no-one has ever heard of...
> 

I can understand the law on busy streets, but a low use residential 
2-way street....  the cop must have had to make a quota or something....
Ok Ok, it is generally against the law to park facing the wrong way - 
especially in cities as large as Washington DC.


>> I think most of the time officers need to meet quotas or the municipality 
>> actually budgets the fines into their fiscal system.
> 
>        Well, I learnt that our new system is now 'self financing' which to 
> me means 'get as many as you can in a day/week and everything will be all 
> right Jack, you'll keep your job'.
> 

That is the way it should NOT be...  too much incentive for giving a ticket.


> 
>> I know MANY places that lower the speed limit by 10 mph for no reason at 
>> all just to place a speed trap.
>>
>> Therefore you get screwed.
>>
>> Oh well... tis life.
> 
>      Yeah, it's life, but it ain't right.
> 

No, tickets should not be a source of revenue.  The ticket and fine 
should be a punishment and deterrent from breaking the law.  When it 
becomes revenue generating and depended upon, then tickets start to be 
given that are not really justified.


But again, tis life, but it ain't right.


> 
>> Sock it to em Steve!
> 
>  :o) Thanks Tom! Well, I sent one good glossy print of that other (gold) car 
> and asked why it's illegal when there is actually no danger to pedestrians 
> or other road users, or not blocking that particular drive-way. (BTW, If 
> you've been wondering, I work there, that's our office (hence the window 
> shot) for this area. I could have parked freely in the space that you see in 
> the foreground, (behind the walls), but two cars were taking up *my* 
> official spaces, and I was only going to be there a couple of minutes on 
> that day, so I parked where I did, and that wouldn't be the first time I did 
> that).
> 
>     I've held the second image (the one with the red car, and the red car 
> opposite that Scott kindly beamed in on) back. I'm hoping for some mistake 
> on their part with this, because that's all I've got.
> 

> 
> 

Most people don't worry too much about the fine, they just pay and move 
on with life.  I love it when someone who was going 80mph in a 60 zone 
gets a ticket and goes to court and gets off, but the poor woman who 
doesn't go to court gets a bugger of a fine.


again, tis life....


Best of luck - maybe they will hear your voice :-)


Tom

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And lo on Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:11:23 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote in message  
> news:46dbb643@news.povray.org...
>
>> BTW, why is it illegal there to park outside the marked bays?  There
>> doesn't seem to be any yellow lines, or does it say on the sign "parking
>> only in marked bays"?
>
>       I have no idea why it's illegal. All I know is that since the  
> police don't control parking regs any more, there's been a drive to get  
> as many
> people booked with an offence as much as possible. Seriously, you should  
> see the parking attendants in action around here, they all walk fast  
> looking for the next one.

Am I too late for the party? Looking at the photos you've posted I can see  
a Parking sign on the opposite side of the street and what could be the  
back of one on the other side. As for the blue car on the corner, it's  
inadvisable to park there, but not illegal; I also note the post without a  
sign, if there's no sign a case could be made by the owner for not knowing  
it was bay parking only on that side of the bay.

>> If it was me, I would write in the letter for a clarification of exactly
>> what the white line means.  Does your entire tyre foot-print have to be
>> inside the inner border of the line, or is it allowed to be on the line.
>> Or does it mean your entire car must be inside the line, overhangs and
>> all, and which side of the line counts... etc.  If they don't have a
>> detailed policy on this then how can they prosecute people in a fair  
>> way,
>> it's probably against some European human rights thingy that they have  
>> to
>> treat everyone fairly.. blah blah blah.

That's a case in point; strictly speaking the vehicle has to be within the  
lines - that's the whole vehicle. Most authorities go with the tire thing  
though. Of course then you have to define 'within' as the lines themselves  
have width ;-)

>      It's a new directive over here now. As I said, the police don't  
> control
> parking any more, the council employs people to do it. It's a self  
> financing
> thing too, so money has to be incoming. I just found this in one of our
> council's  PDF files:

Ah yes decriminalise it and make it a civil matter. In theory a good idea,  
instead of being a tag-on of the whole police budget it gains its own  
accounts; it also frees up a police officer with a wide range of powers  
who could be handling something else and replaces them with a parking  
enforcer with limited ones. Likewise as the local authority tend to be the  
ones who set the parking restrictions it makes sense they enforce them,  
keeps them in the same basket. Oh and of course it's self-financing.

Okay any council that proposes self-financing parking enforcement needs  
clubbing to death, burying, and a new (and hopefully smarter) council  
elected. The whole aim of parking enforcement is as a preventative  
punishment, the whole requirement of self-financing is that *it keeps  
happening*. Any successfull parking enforcement scheme that relies on  
fining brings in no money. Then what do you do fire the enforcers,until  
the situation gets bad again then bring them back?

Do that and any smart enforcer will soon realise that they should limit  
the number of tickets they hand out, keep the problem ticking over while  
keeping it a level below that it started with to show they are at least  
doing something. Try to nip that in the bud and set performance figures  
and you'll get them issuing fines over petty infringments that get  
overturned later by anyone fighting them.

Sounds like you've got the latter on your hands.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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> Sounds like you've got the latter on your hands.

   Yep, all of what you said was bang on Phil. Anyway, I haven't had time 
until now to say that I got my answer on Friday - no go. <sniff, bye bye 


    I thought some of the comments in the letter were interesting:

    "As a rule and for consistency purposes within our Section, we will not 
issue a Penalty Charge Notice to a vehicle unless one wheel is outside the 
bay."

     Erm, now let me get this straight, one wheel outside the bay??! How is 
that possible in a car?

    And this:

    "Further to your correspondence I would like to point out that waiting 
bays are marked out between drop kerbs, therefore, the length of the bays 
are not measured on the number of vehicles that can park within the bays."

    Hmm, they might as well have just painted a bay that's easily big enough 
for just one car alone, much easier, costs less in paint if they did that 
with all bays too. But wait. They wouldn't get the fine then would they?

    Damn jobsworths.

     ~Steve~



>
> -- 
> Phil Cook
>
> --
> I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
> http://flipc.blogspot.com

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And lo on Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:42 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
> news:op.tyfw5rskc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>
>
>> Sounds like you've got the latter on your hands.
>
>    Yep, all of what you said was bang on Phil.

Of course it was me saying it, besides it's about roads :-P

> Anyway, I haven't had time
> until now to say that I got my answer on Friday - no go. <sniff, bye bye


Dumb thing is if it were still a police matter I bet it would never have  
been ticketed in the first place, they'd have realised the difference in  
an infraction causing a problem and one that doesn't and simply not wanted  
the hassle of all the paperwork.

>     I thought some of the comments in the letter were interesting:
>
>     "As a rule and for consistency purposes within our Section, we will  
> not issue a Penalty Charge Notice to a vehicle unless one wheel is  
> outside the bay."
>
>      Erm, now let me get this straight, one wheel outside the bay??! How  
> is that possible in a car?

On the side sure - slight angle with one wheel on the line, one outside.  
Damn easy on some of the narrower bays.

>     And this:
>
>     "Further to your correspondence I would like to point out that  
> waiting bays are marked out between drop kerbs, therefore, the length of  
> the bays
> are not measured on the number of vehicles that can park within the  
> bays."

Yup and they have to allow some wiggle room on the drop kerbs so they just  
go from point-to-point, it's up to the driver to determine if they can fit.

>     Hmm, they might as well have just painted a bay that's easily big  
> enough for just one car alone, much easier, costs less in paint if they  
> did that
> with all bays too. But wait. They wouldn't get the fine then would they?

To be fair they would then get people complaining that there's space  
between the drop-kerbs for two small cars, but they've haven't painted the  
bay large enough.

>     Damn jobsworths.

Easy - next time get there early when no-one's there and park directly in  
the middle of the bay; won't win your neighbour's friendship, but you  
can't be touched by the enforcers. Might start a block war, with everyone  
revving their engines waiting to be the one to dominate the space; might  
get the council to remove the bays in the first place.

Actually I'm kind of curious as to why they're their in the first place?  
Was there some problem with people parking in front of driveways or  
whatever?

-- 
Phil Cook

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message 
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> And lo on Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:42 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake, 
> saying:
>
>>
>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>> news:op.tyfw5rskc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>>
>>
>>> Sounds like you've got the latter on your hands.
>>
>>    Yep, all of what you said was bang on Phil.
>
> Of course it was me saying it, besides it's about roads :-P

      Heh, yeah, I knew that. :)


>
>> Anyway, I haven't had time
>> until now to say that I got my answer on Friday - no go. <sniff, bye bye

>
> Dumb thing is if it were still a police matter I bet it would never have 
> been ticketed in the first place, they'd have realised the difference in 
> an infraction causing a problem and one that doesn't and simply not wanted 
> the hassle of all the paperwork.

     That's so true. Kinda makes me want them back now, at least if you did 
get a ticket, you'd know that they would probably be right in their 
decision.


>
>>     I thought some of the comments in the letter were interesting:
>>
>>     "As a rule and for consistency purposes within our Section, we will 
>> not issue a Penalty Charge Notice to a vehicle unless one wheel is 
>> outside the bay."
>>
>>      Erm, now let me get this straight, one wheel outside the bay??! How 
>> is that possible in a car?
>
> On the side sure - slight angle with one wheel on the line, one outside. 
> Damn easy on some of the narrower bays.

       Yeah, hadn't thought of that, but it reminds me that when I was in a 
nearby town on Saturday, I looked at some of the bays there and they were 
wide! Seriously, probably a foot wider than ours - there was loads of room.


>
>>     And this:
>>
>>     "Further to your correspondence I would like to point out that 
>> waiting bays are marked out between drop kerbs, therefore, the length of 
>> the bays
>> are not measured on the number of vehicles that can park within the 
>> bays."
>
> Yup and they have to allow some wiggle room on the drop kerbs so they just 
> go from point-to-point, it's up to the driver to determine if they can 
> fit.

      "Oh, damn, my back wheels are just going to be outside the line, I 
better move on and find somewhere else to make that important appointment. 
Hmm, where shall I go, there doesn't seem to be anywhere, they're all full." 
Twenty minutes later: "Ah, there's a spot! I'll get in that one." Checks 
time: "Missed the appointment!"

     It doesn't make sense.


>
>>     Hmm, they might as well have just painted a bay that's easily big 
>> enough for just one car alone, much easier, costs less in paint if they 
>> did that
>> with all bays too. But wait. They wouldn't get the fine then would they?
>
> To be fair they would then get people complaining that there's space 
> between the drop-kerbs for two small cars, but they've haven't painted the 
> bay large enough.

     Well, yeah, true.


>
>>     Damn jobsworths.
>
> Easy - next time get there early when no-one's there and park directly in 
> the middle of the bay; won't win your neighbour's friendship, but you 
> can't be touched by the enforcers. Might start a block war, with everyone 
> revving their engines waiting to be the one to dominate the space; might 
> get the council to remove the bays in the first place.

     LOL! :) Well, you know, I'd already thought of that, but if it is 
empty, I'll probably park as far forward as I can, because to be honest, I 
would feel uncomfortable knowing someone will probably get a ticket behind 
me. Hmm, I might put a sign in the car that I can stick on the back 
windscreen warning people not to park behind me if they've got a big or long 
car. I bet the council have made a stack from that bay, and it would be nice 
to save a pensioner some money.

.


>
> Actually I'm kind of curious as to why they're their in the first place? 
> Was there some problem with people parking in front of driveways or 
> whatever?

     Yes, I think it was about five years ago that they put the bays there. 
It's a one way street, so everyone was parking on the left hand side for 
ease of parking I guess. There's certainly more bays on the left than on the 
right, as you can see from the images. Certainly as you walk up the left 
side, you can see all the little notices nailed to the trees warning people 
not to block the driveways.

    Soon, I'll take another photo of a road situation which you would simply 
hate Phil. It would be your worst nightmare if you had to drive to work 
through it everyday.  :o)

      ~Steve~





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>
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And lo on Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:05:47 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
> news:op.tyfztib2c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>> And lo on Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:42 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,
>> saying:
>>
>>>
>>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>>> news:op.tyfw5rskc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sounds like you've got the latter on your hands.
>>>
>>>    Yep, all of what you said was bang on Phil.
>>
>> Of course it was me saying it, besides it's about roads :-P
>
>       Heh, yeah, I knew that. :)

I am the road man coo coo ca choo

>>> Anyway, I haven't had time
>>> until now to say that I got my answer on Friday - no go. <sniff, bye  
>>> bye

>>
>> Dumb thing is if it were still a police matter I bet it would never have
>> been ticketed in the first place, they'd have realised the difference in
>> an infraction causing a problem and one that doesn't and simply not  
>> wanted
>> the hassle of all the paperwork.
>
>      That's so true. Kinda makes me want them back now, at least if you  
> did get a ticket, you'd know that they would probably be right in their
> decision.

Exactly and bonus you've got a police officer patrolling the street.

>>>     I thought some of the comments in the letter were interesting:
>>>
>>>     "As a rule and for consistency purposes within our Section, we will
>>> not issue a Penalty Charge Notice to a vehicle unless one wheel is
>>> outside the bay."
>>>
>>>      Erm, now let me get this straight, one wheel outside the bay??!  
>>> How
>>> is that possible in a car?
>>
>> On the side sure - slight angle with one wheel on the line, one outside.
>> Damn easy on some of the narrower bays.
>
>        Yeah, hadn't thought of that, but it reminds me that when I was  
> in a nearby town on Saturday, I looked at some of the bays there and  
> they were
> wide! Seriously, probably a foot wider than ours - there was loads of  
> room.

1.8m to 2.7m at the discretion of the local authority (damn how sad to  
know that) disabled bays have to be 2.7m minimum 3.6m maximum, unless the  
road width can't support the traffic at that width (In which case you can  
go back down to 1.8m); angled bays are 2 to 2.5m. Now go get your  
tape-measure :-)

>>>     And this:
>>>
>>>     "Further to your correspondence I would like to point out that
>>> waiting bays are marked out between drop kerbs, therefore, the length  
>>> of
>>> the bays
>>> are not measured on the number of vehicles that can park within the
>>> bays."
>>
>> Yup and they have to allow some wiggle room on the drop kerbs so they  
>> just
>> go from point-to-point, it's up to the driver to determine if they can
>> fit.
>
>       "Oh, damn, my back wheels are just going to be outside the line, I
> better move on and find somewhere else to make that important  
> appointment.
> Hmm, where shall I go, there doesn't seem to be anywhere, they're all  
> full."
> Twenty minutes later: "Ah, there's a spot! I'll get in that one." Checks
> time: "Missed the appointment!"
>
>      It doesn't make sense.

Only from a revenue-collecting standpoint, from a traffic-control one it  
makes no sense unless you're actually blocking something; there's the  
dichotomy.

>>>     Damn jobsworths.
>>
>> Easy - next time get there early when no-one's there and park directly  
>> in
>> the middle of the bay; won't win your neighbour's friendship, but you
>> can't be touched by the enforcers. Might start a block war, with  
>> everyone
>> revving their engines waiting to be the one to dominate the space; might
>> get the council to remove the bays in the first place.
>
>      LOL! :) Well, you know, I'd already thought of that, but if it is
> empty, I'll probably park as far forward as I can, because to be honest,  
> I would feel uncomfortable knowing someone will probably get a ticket  
> behind me.

To be honest me too, damn this moral conscience I'd be ruling the world by  
now otherwise.

> Hmm, I might put a sign in the car that I can stick on the back
> windscreen warning people not to park behind me if they've got a big or  
> long
> car. I bet the council have made a stack from that bay, and it would be  
> nice
> to save a pensioner some money.

That would be a nice gesture.

>> Actually I'm kind of curious as to why they're their in the first place?
>> Was there some problem with people parking in front of driveways or
>> whatever?
>
>      Yes, I think it was about five years ago that they put the bays  
> there.
> It's a one way street, so everyone was parking on the left hand side for
> ease of parking I guess. There's certainly more bays on the left than on  
> the right, as you can see from the images. Certainly as you walk up the  
> left
> side, you can see all the little notices nailed to the trees warning  
> people not to block the driveways.

Single yellows straight along might have been better.

>     Soon, I'll take another photo of a road situation which you would  
> simply hate Phil. It would be your worst nightmare if you had to drive  
> to work
> through it everyday.  :o)

I can't wait...um. Heh you should have overheard the police at our  
carnival when the doctor's car and the ambulance had to drive against the  
procession over our one and only bridge or face a nine-mile diversion (at  
the least) "Well they'll just have to get out of the bloody way"

-- 
Phil Cook

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