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From: Blue Herring
Subject: A couple more things
Date: 5 Jun 2008 15:33:31
Message: <48483f8b$1@news.povray.org>
Hello,
   I'm planning on uploading some new things soon, and I have a couple 
of questions/suggestions about the object collection.

1. Do declarations in scene files not intended to be imported need to 
follow the prefix naming conventions?  A big example would be demo or 
example scenes included with a package.

2. Is there any method of counting numbers of downloads of certain 
objects?  If not it would be nice for developers to see what kind of 
activity their packages are getting.

3. Is there a specific reason that SVG files are not permitted for 
upload?  I use Inkscape a lot when developing prisms and lathes, and it 
would be nice to include the original SVG with the rest of the files.

Thanks in advance!

-- 
-The Mildly Infamous Blue Herring


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 5 Jun 2008 18:06:34
Message: <4848636a@news.povray.org>
"Blue Herring" <pov### [at] bherringcotsenet> wrote in message 
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> Hello,
>   I'm planning on uploading some new things soon, and I have a couple of 
> questions/suggestions about the object collection.
>
> 1. Do declarations in scene files not intended to be imported need to 
> follow the prefix naming conventions?  A big example would be demo or 
> example scenes included with a package.

Strictly speaking, no. The naming conventions are there to help minimise 
naming collisions which would mainly be a problem with included files.

>
> 2. Is there any method of counting numbers of downloads of certain 
> objects?  If not it would be nice for developers to see what kind of 
> activity their packages are getting.

We've been recording downloads since mid-March, but currently this info 
isn't displayed anywhere. I'll look at putting together a query to summarize 
the data.

>
> 3. Is there a specific reason that SVG files are not permitted for upload? 
> I use Inkscape a lot when developing prisms and lathes, and it would be 
> nice to include the original SVG with the rest of the files.

The automatic upload scripts restrict file types to those directly supported 
by POV-Ray or Moray (plus HTML related files for documentation). 
Administrators can upload other file types.

In the sort of case you outline, where the POV-Ray files work fine without 
InkScape, but where the SVG files add value to someone wishing to tailor the 
shapes, I think it's a good idea to make them available.

I would suggest that you upload the POV-Ray files and create the entry for 
the object, then send the SVG files in a zipped archive to the 
administrators email address (see http://lib.povray.org/members/). We can 
then add the zip file to the object files so it gets downloaded with them. 
I'd recommend calling the zip file 'yourobjectname_svgsource.zip'.

Regards,
Chris B.


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From: Blue Herring
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 6 Jun 2008 08:51:29
Message: <484932d1$1@news.povray.org>
Chris B wrote:
> Strictly speaking, no. The naming conventions are there to help minimise 
> naming collisions which would mainly be a problem with included files.

Makes sense, thats what I thought but I didn't want to assume.

> We've been recording downloads since mid-March, but currently this info 
> isn't displayed anywhere. I'll look at putting together a query to summarize 
> the data.

That would be great, thanks.

> The automatic upload scripts restrict file types to those directly supported 
> by POV-Ray or Moray (plus HTML related files for documentation). 
> Administrators can upload other file types.
> 
> In the sort of case you outline, where the POV-Ray files work fine without 
> InkScape, but where the SVG files add value to someone wishing to tailor the 
> shapes, I think it's a good idea to make them available.
> 
> I would suggest that you upload the POV-Ray files and create the entry for 
> the object, then send the SVG files in a zipped archive to the 
> administrators email address (see http://lib.povray.org/members/). We can 
> then add the zip file to the object files so it gets downloaded with them. 
> I'd recommend calling the zip file 'yourobjectname_svgsource.zip'.

Great, thanks for the help, I'll do this.

-- 
-The Mildly Infamous Blue Herring


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 8 Jun 2008 13:43:36
Message: <484c1a48$1@news.povray.org>
>>> 2. Is there any method of counting numbers of downloads of certain
>>> objects?  If not it would be nice for developers to see what kind of 
>>> activity their packages are getting.
>>
>> I'll look at putting together a query to summarize the data.
>
> That would be great, thanks.

A summary showing the number of downloads per object is now available at 
http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=1.

By default it sorts by the object name, but you can sort by 'Contributor' or 
by 'Total', for example:
http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=1&sort=total

So Sam is currently top of the leader board with HFArch, closely followed by 
Ben with Grass and Warp with MeshLathe. No cheating please :-).

To see it split out by version number you can use 
http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=0

Regards,
Chris B.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 9 Jun 2008 01:40:16
Message: <484cc240$1@news.povray.org>
Chris B wrote:
> So Sam is currently top of the leader board with HFArch, closely followed by 
> Ben with Grass and Warp with MeshLathe. No cheating please :-).

The ironic thing is I'm not really happy with that version of the grass 
macro - I just haven't gotten around to doing a new one :)

...Chambers


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 9 Jun 2008 05:02:44
Message: <484cf1b4@news.povray.org>
Chris B <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> No cheating please :-).

  I wonder if it would mess up the statistics too much if they where filtered
so that if the same library has been downloaded from the same IP address
more than once, it would be counted as only one download.

  (I understand that in some cases more than one computer might be seen
as a single IP due to NAT and other such arrangements, and also a single
user may have his IP changed regularly because of dynamic IP addressing,
but I'd dare to say those cases are usually the exception.)

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 9 Jun 2008 05:39:30
Message: <484cfa52@news.povray.org>
"Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote in message 
news:484cc240$1@news.povray.org...
> Chris B wrote:
>> So Sam is currently top of the leader board with HFArch, closely followed 
>> by Ben with Grass and Warp with MeshLathe. No cheating please :-).
>
> The ironic thing is I'm not really happy with that version of the grass 
> macro - I just haven't gotten around to doing a new one :)
>
> ...Chambers

Well I thought my Earth object would be more popular.
I don't know!
It's almost like spinning globes have gone out of fashion. :-)


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 9 Jun 2008 06:54:52
Message: <484d0bfc@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> Chris B <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>> No cheating please :-).
>
>  I wonder if it would mess up the statistics too much if they where 
> filtered
> so that if the same library has been downloaded from the same IP address
> more than once, it would be counted as only one download.

Hmm. That would mean digging back through the logs, so, unless the 
competitiveness starts overwhelming people I'd prefer to just trust to 
folk's sense of fair play. Also I'd venture to guess that the majority of 
large organisations and domestic connections nowadays use dynamic allocation 
or address translation of some sort (though I can't prove it).

In the interests of full disclosure :-) I should declare that when I need to 
check any changes to the download code I usually download my Netball object, 
so that's probably a couple of places higher in the league table than it 
aught to be.

Regards,
Chris B.


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From: Blue Herring
Subject: Re: A couple more things
Date: 10 Jun 2008 09:02:00
Message: <484e7b48$1@news.povray.org>
Chris B wrote:
> A summary showing the number of downloads per object is now available at 
> http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=1.
> 
> By default it sorts by the object name, but you can sort by 'Contributor' or 
> by 'Total', for example:
> http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=1&sort=total
> 
> So Sam is currently top of the leader board with HFArch, closely followed by 
> Ben with Grass and Warp with MeshLathe. No cheating please :-).
> 
> To see it split out by version number you can use 
> http://lib.povray.org/searchcollection/downloadsummary.php?rollup=0

Nifty!  Thanks!

-- 
-The Mildly Infamous Blue Herring


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