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I guess we just have a different way of looking at the world, Thorsten. Even
if I am busy (and I am *always* busy) I take the time to show a modicum of
courtesy and politeness when I respond online at the forum which *I*
moderate. We all know how busy you are, but would it kill you to try being a
little less pointy-edged when you type on your keyboard??!
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trf de> wrote in message
news:3fa053a6$1@news.povray.org...
> In article <3fa04288$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > I *have* been using POV-Ray for a while (2+ years). I cannot recall a
single
> > time that Thorsten has ever answered a question I've posted without an
> > attitude of supreme arrogance and total disdain.
>
> Thanks for reminding me to check this out. I was sure you asked a similar
> question and got a similar answer before:
> <http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/20821/>
>
> Oh, and I guess you are also referring to your suggestion in
> <http://news.povray.org/povray.general/30888/>, which in the end turned
out
> to be exactly what I said it would be...
>
> So, you might as well consider that a few of the questions you are asking
> and the suggestions you are making are the problem and you just don't want
> anybody to tell you the truth even in case you ask for it. I am sorry,
but
> this ain't commercial tech support for disgruntled customers supplied by
> clueless call center agents whose only job is to make you feel good about
a
> flawed product. I won't give you the answer you want, I will tell you the
> truth even if it doesn't make you happy. I think in the end this is the
> better way to answer questions.
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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In article <3fa13db1$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
<dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> We all know how busy you are, but would it kill you to try being a
> little less pointy-edged when you type on your keyboard??!
It would not kill me, but it would make my pile of email and news replies I
have to write growing every day, not shrinking.
Thorsten
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Then I guess I will have to just grow a thicker hide and try to keep in mind
your mountain of mail when I read your responses in the future. Thanks.
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3fa14b86$1@news.povray.org...
> In article <3fa13db1$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > We all know how busy you are, but would it kill you to try being a
> > little less pointy-edged when you type on your keyboard??!
>
> It would not kill me, but it would make my pile of email and news replies
I
> have to write growing every day, not shrinking.
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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In article <3f9d83d1$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
<dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Can someone please update the Mac OS X 10.2 download page with an ETA for
> Release Candidate 3?
>
> http://mac.povray.org/download/macosx102.html
>
> (Please note that I did *not* ask when RC3 would be coming out... I just was
> asking if someone on the POV-Ray team would mind updating the download page,
> since it's obviously out-of-date now.)
A new beta is there now.
Thorsten
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Yup, downloaded it last night. I've run into some minor problems, mostly
with my G5 freezing up if it goes into screen saver mode while POV-Ray is
rendering. If I have any behavior I can reliably duplicate I'll submit a bug
report through the normal channels.
On a *very* encouraging note, I've been running a memory-intensive animation
(~ 600 MB per frame) since last night and after 100+ frames POV-Ray is still
chugging away--I'm cautiously optimistic that it looks like the image map
memory problem I reported has been licked.
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3fba9c2d$1@news.povray.org...
> In article <3f9d83d1$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > Can someone please update the Mac OS X 10.2 download page with an ETA
for
> > Release Candidate 3?
> >
> > http://mac.povray.org/download/macosx102.html
> >
> > (Please note that I did *not* ask when RC3 would be coming out... I just
was
> > asking if someone on the POV-Ray team would mind updating the download
page,
> > since it's obviously out-of-date now.)
>
> A new beta is there now.
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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Scott Gammans wrote:
>Yup, downloaded it last night. I've run into some minor problems, mostly
>with my G5 freezing up if it goes into screen saver mode while POV-Ray is
>rendering. If I have any behavior I can reliably duplicate I'll submit a bug
>report through the normal channels.
Ooooh, a G5... Which one, and have you timed the benchmark?
Are you using Panther?
I'm planning to get a G5 eventually, primarily for POV-Ray, but
the early benchmarks posted here weren't very impressive
(slower than an $800 Athlon box). Of course, I'd still prefer an
OSX machine and will get a G5 anyway, but there are a lot
of nice Windows utilities for POV-Ray you give up using a Mac.
One nice thing about a dual G5 is I could continue to use my
machine while POV-Ray crunches in the background, but you
can get a similar system using an Athlon machine with a shell
script as described on Christopher James Huff's website.
As a solution for the future, though, software for the G5 will
only get faster. And there's always Maya or Lightwave, though
I enjoy using POV-Ray so much I'm not interested in switching
any time soon.
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Dual processor 2.0 GHz G5 with 2.5 GB RAM. Sweeeeeet machine.
I bought LightWave 7.5 a year ago and have only just now started learning
it--it makes the POV-Ray learning curve look like a gentle slope in
comparison! Also, there are some serious OpenGL problems with LightWave on
Panther (OS X 10.3) which NewTek (the maker of LightWave) has yet to
solve... hopefully LW8, which is due any day now, will solve those issues.
I haven't run any of the POV-Ray benchmarks on my G5 yet because I was so
excited to merely get POV-Ray running at all. The screen saver freeze up was
an annoyance but I got around that by (duh!) turning off the screen saver.
Also, I'm not sure yet but "Background Processing" seemed to cause a
freeze-up---it may very well have been the screen saver that was the real
culprit but until I do some more testing I won't know for sure. (btw, I'm
using the "3.5.1 for G5" rendering engine option... haven't tried the
non-optimized one yet and I figured there was no point in trying the G4
option.)
"Renderdog" <slo### [at] hiwaaynet> wrote in message
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> Scott Gammans wrote:
> >Yup, downloaded it last night. I've run into some minor problems, mostly
> >with my G5 freezing up if it goes into screen saver mode while POV-Ray is
> >rendering. If I have any behavior I can reliably duplicate I'll submit a
bug
> >report through the normal channels.
>
>
> Ooooh, a G5... Which one, and have you timed the benchmark?
> Are you using Panther?
>
> I'm planning to get a G5 eventually, primarily for POV-Ray, but
> the early benchmarks posted here weren't very impressive
> (slower than an $800 Athlon box). Of course, I'd still prefer an
> OSX machine and will get a G5 anyway, but there are a lot
> of nice Windows utilities for POV-Ray you give up using a Mac.
>
> One nice thing about a dual G5 is I could continue to use my
> machine while POV-Ray crunches in the background, but you
> can get a similar system using an Athlon machine with a shell
> script as described on Christopher James Huff's website.
>
> As a solution for the future, though, software for the G5 will
> only get faster. And there's always Maya or Lightwave, though
> I enjoy using POV-Ray so much I'm not interested in switching
> any time soon.
>
>
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In article <3fbba224$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
<dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> using the "3.5.1 for G5" rendering engine option... haven't tried the
> non-optimized one yet and I figured there was no point in trying the G4
> option.)
It should be noted that the G5 "optimised" version is not more than an
guess based on Apple information about optimising for the G5. So it may
well be that the G4 version runs faster on the G5. Only the benchmark scene
can tell...
Thorsten
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In article <3fbba224$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
<dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Dual processor 2.0 GHz G5 with 2.5 GB RAM. Sweeeeeet machine.
BTW, how is the noise level under load? Is it really much better than that
of the last G4s?
Thorsten
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It sounds like a jet engine revving up when both of those fans get going,
but most of the time it's whisper-quiet. Even with POV-Ray rendering a scene
it's pretty darn quiet, since POV-Ray is only stressing one of the CPU's.
The G5 is a remarkable piece of engineering.
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
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> In article <3fbba224$1@news.povray.org> , "Scott Gammans"
> <dee### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> > Dual processor 2.0 GHz G5 with 2.5 GB RAM. Sweeeeeet machine.
>
> BTW, how is the noise level under load? Is it really much better than
that
> of the last G4s?
>
> Thorsten
>
> ____________________________________________________
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> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
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