F.VERBAAS wrote:

> To avoid annoying discussions on dialects and grammar changing with time I
> herewith propose to make Latin the official language for POV. It is well
> defined, it has been pretty stable over the last two millennia, it and it
> does not use composed characters.
>
> Frans

OPTIME!!!!!! Est iustum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Perbene!

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POV vincit omnia!!!!POV pinge omnia!!!! De POV est  de Deo!!!!

F.VERBAAS wrote:

> To avoid annoying discussions on dialects and grammar changing with time I
> herewith propose to make Latin the official language for POV. It is well
> defined, it has been pretty stable over the last two millennia, it and it
> does not use composed characters.
>
> Frans

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>I do believe the English have also changed the language a bit over the
>centuries.  The English of Chaucer was not the English of the Beowolf
>poet, nor is Shakespere's English that of Chaucer.  The Brittish English
>of today is not exactly that which was spoken by Shakespere, either.
>Language altering is not strictly an American habit, but in the passing
>of history nearly every language has developed it's own dialects, and
>every written language has made extensive changes to its orthography.
>Let's be fair....


Off topic, but here goes:
Those of you with RealAudio should visit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/BBC_English/swissconf
somewhere on that site, Peter Trudgill (linguist) estimates how English will
sound in 200 years' time...

CU
Ade

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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in article
<360### [at] pacbellnet>...
> Mike wrote:
> 
> > Az an American az well, I would like to zay that I think thiz personz
complaint iz
> > a perfectly good one.  Fine, wordz like optimized, minimized, and
customized might
> > not in any way impact the actual performanze of the program, but who
are U 2 write
> > anything that doezn't conform to the U Z of A'z form of mutilated
Englizh.  We are
> > the ones who have taken the lowly Z and made it into zomething useful. 
Until we
> > got our handz on it, the only uze for it waz when writing the word
zebra.  What a
> > wazte.
> >
> > Therefore, I would like to izzue a formal requezt for the following
zyntax:
> >
> > zphere
> > zuperellipzoid
> > zor
> > tranzmit
> > tranzlate
> > zcale
> > zpiral1
> > zpiral2
> > wrinklz
> > mezh
> > zpotted
> > zpecular
> > roughnezz
> >
> > Therz probably more, but I'm too upzet too think of them.  Az a matter
of fact, the
> > only one you got right waz bozo!
> >
> > sinzerily,
> >
> > zelda ziznadiznorn
> > UZA
> 
> It probably won't happen. I think I figured out why the
> Britizh are so reziztant towardz uzing the letter Z. You zee
> they are not taught how to uze the Z key when taking
> typing clazzez, where in the USA, it iz mandatory to learn
> how to type that letter.
> 
> Ken Tyler
> 

	Nah, it's cos we don't like all the sharp pointy corners. I can understand
how you lot can get along with sharp corners, what with all your roads
being at right angles to each other, but over here we like everything nice
and curvy. ;-)

-- 
Scott Hill
Sco### [at] DDLinkscouk
Software Engineer (and all round nice guy)
Author of Pandora's Box
Company homepage : http://www.ddlinks.demon.co.uk

"The best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't
exist..."
								- Verbal Kint.

"the Internet is here so we can waste time talking about nothing in 
 particular when we should be working" - Marcus Hill.

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Well... That's not only This Year's most ARROGANT email, but... I think it's on the
way to become This Year's LONGEST thread, too ! As a french people (sorry...) I'm
not as concerned as many other people, even if I effectively entirely agree with
you.

Oh, sorry, I thougt it was just a little funny to show that even far concerned
people can be impressed to see how deeply can people react to such questions, even
if, at first, this place was not dedicated to it... :)

Seriously, I must say - despite to all "pro z" (prozac... ?) reactions - that in
most non english speaking countries, we learn your language with a "traditionnal"
english scripting... If it can mean anything in this situation !

It doesn't mean that we would forget other language evolutions, but simply that
it's easier for us - and more friendly to young students fighting with english
basics - to find softwares using vocabulary according to what we learnt a few years
ago.

Through all of it, and I think as many "z" and "s" think so, just let me thank you
once again for this really marvellous work. There is only one thing I could say :
Continue, You're on a really good way...

Avec mes plus sinceres remerciements... ;-)

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In South Chicago for example, 'over there' becomes 'over by dere'

Even in America we can't pick pronunciation ...

-- Ron
povray.org admin team wrote in message
<36053b2a.48950236@news.povray.org>...
>Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
>>David Greaves wrote:
>>
>>> If you look at it, even the letter Z (pronounced zed of course)  is
arrogant.
>>> All those angles and straight lines.
>>
>>"Pronounced zed" ?
>
>Yep. The English way of saying the letter 'z' is 'zed'. Americans (and
American
>influenced countries) say 'zee'.
>
>There's a bunch of other stuff, too. Most of them relate to Americans
>'simplifying' words or sounds to make them either easier to pronounce, or
>easier to say. Hence colour becomes color, Aluminium becomes Aluminum, and
so
>forth.

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Hell, Wisconsin people have asked me where the 'bubbler' is ... and I have
blown spit bubbles ..

How would I know that meant a drinking fountain?

-- Ron

Ken wrote in message <36054595.82F405B0@pacbell.net>...
>povray.org admin team wrote:
>
>> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>>
>> >David Greaves wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you look at it, even the letter Z (pronounced zed of course)  is
arrogant.
>> >> All those angles and straight lines.
>> >
>> >"Pronounced zed" ?
>>
>> Yep. The English way of saying the letter 'z' is 'zed'. Americans (and
American
>> influenced countries) say 'zee'.
>>
>> There's a bunch of other stuff, too. Most of them relate to Americans
>> 'simplifying' words or sounds to make them either easier to pronounce, or
>> easier to say. Hence colour becomes color, Aluminium becomes Aluminum,
and so
>> forth.
>
>    I agree with what you say although the British are not
>immune from doing the same thing. Take the common
>expressions "telly" and "uni" for the correct pronounciation
>of television and university.
>    Either way it is no excuse for ridicule, calling it a progam bug,
>and taking up your time with such trivialities.
>
>Ken
>

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Your british, aren't you??? <g>

-- Ron
Mark Radosevich wrote in message <360871A6.66BFD0C3@randolph.SPAM.edu>...
>> >but its against any netiquette to post privat email in a newsgroup.
>>
>> 1) not all of the email was posted (just the offending section)
>>
>> 2) mail sent to the bug reporting address is hardly 'private'.
>>    'private' email is that sent between individuals for the
>>    purpose of communications. a bug report is obviously something
>>    that may be disseminated to others (that's half the reason for
>>    sending them in some cases).
>>
>> so your comments don't apply in this case. we do not consider bug reports
>> private.
>
>hmmm... a good point, and a good reply...
>I know I'm splitting hairs here, but I've gotta say this: I think it's safe
to
>say that Jason considered his e-mail to be private, and certainly not to be
>posted in a newsgroup to be laughed at. As inconsiderate as he may be, he
>doesn't deserve our unkindness in return. Whether all of the e-mail was
posted
>or not isn't really the point; some of it was posted, and his e-mail
address
>was not omitted (I haven't checked to see whether it is an actual address),
>presumably without his knowledge. That's questionable netiquette,
especially
>considering the tone of the post ("We also would like to officially
nominate
>Jason Barlow for the 'Rudest Support Email of 1998' award.") I would be
>surprised if he hasn't received other e-mails, which were actually
encouraged:
>
>>we're posting this here in the hope that some of
>>his fellow POV Users will also be able to explain this to him in a more
>>reasoned way (rather then the somewhat annoyed tone of our reply ;)
>
>Chances are that not all of them were intelligently and patiently written.
>Personally, I hope that the quick reply, written "in no uncertain terms",
was
>enough for Jason to realise how thoughtless he was. If not, then he may
flaunt
>his ignorance elsewhere, with other consequences. I agree that he was
>surprisingly inconsiderate, but he doesn't deserve this public ridicule.
Had
>he posted that message himself, I wouldn't post this one, but he didn't, so
I have.
>
>
>
>-Mark R.
>(considering what a Macophile I am, it's amusing that I'm posting to
'povray.windows'...)
>
>(to e-mail, change "SPAM" to spa)

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Its all english, and it's all readable.  Lets just all get along!

-- Ron
povray.org admin team wrote in message
<361426a9.436588571@news.povray.org>...
>"Tom Galvin" <tga### [at] dataforgecom> wrote:
>
>>>We (the collective 'we' here being, I suppose, any non-American English
>>>speaker, though I can hardly profess to speak for all of them) don't mind
>>>Americans changing the language in the least
>>
>>If we exclude the English and the Americans then we are left with the
Kiwis,
>>Aussies, Irish, Welsh and the Scots. Any one who has heard those
>>interpretations of English should have little to say about American
English.
>
>Precisely. So we don't complain about their english, just about the fact
that a
>few of them rudely complain about _ours_.
>
>This is the whole point, one that some readers have failed to 'get'. We're
all
>welcome to do whatever we like to our own regional variations of English.
But
>none of us should go about implying that someone else lacks intelligence
(as
>Jason did to us) because that other person uses their own, regional,
variation
>of English spelling (regardless of whether or not it is 'true' English as
the
>English spell it).
>
>No-one here has said the Americans have it wrong, and the
Aussies/Irish/Kiwis
>etc. have it right. Just that we're not wrong, either (yes, it's possible
for
>both of us to be right).
>
>Had I been an Australian user of a software package and had written to an
>American firm rudely questioning their intelligence because they spelt
minimise
>with a 'z' then I would have been just as guilty. But I won't, because I
know
>that Americans have their own spelling and I respect that fact.
>
>I've never yet personally come across a software package that does menu and
>documentation spelling substitutions based on the country settings - not
even
>Microsoft Word [a likely candidate] does that. [FWIW Word does correctly
mark
>words such as 'minimize' as incorrectly spelt, and suggests the 's'
variation,
>when set to British English].
>
>Therefore, software (for the time being) is likely to continue to come out
with
>its own regional spelling in documentation and menus, and there's little
that
>can be done about it except just accept it.

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Hey!   There are american'z here who don't zpeak dat latin ztuff.    Clue uz
in!
Lance Birch wrote in message <3611a571.0@news.povray.org>...
>Um, Ken... I don't ACTUALLY speak Latin!  (Despite the my last post :-*
Hey,
>did you honk? ;-)
>
>> Ve'ni, vi'di, vi'ci, di'es ir'ae.
>> Vae vic'tis, sic tran'sit glo'ria mun'di.
>
>Anyway, what does your message translate to???
>
>Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et
>fructuosis potiri potes! :-)
>
>And just for fun:
>
>Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad
>caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
>
>or
>
>Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus! (OK, maybe not)
>
>HAVE FUN!!!
>
>--
>Lance.
>
>
>---
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>
>

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