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From: Michael Kent
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 8 Dec 1997 16:59:02
Message: <348c6d0f.19314738@news.povray.org>
Hi Daren,

On Sun, 07 Dec 1997 17:28:18 -0500, Daren Scot Wilson
<dar### [at] pipelinecom> wrote:

>
>Um, do I hafta hire only Union workers?  And who do I bribe so I can
>make illegal sewer connections?  :>)

Nope, and me of course!!

I've now got a few bits on the webpage, so check out :
http://homepages.enterprise.net/michaelkent/povraycity/
when you get a chance.

Bye for now

Michael
HTTP://homepages.enterprise.net/michaelkent
e-mail mic### [at] enterprisenet
Fidonet 2:258/69.10


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From: Robert J Becraft
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 27 Dec 1997 02:25:13
Message: <34A4AD59.127A@aol.nonet.com>
CITY PLANNERS,

I've got a 1 meter scale city.pov file and associated files, and am
awaiting o.k. from Michael.  In the meantime, if anyone wants to play
with a 1 meter set of roads and plain, send me an email and I'll reply
with the zip file.

Regards,
Robert J Becraft
aka cas### [at] aolcom


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From: Brian Fuller
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 27 Dec 1997 11:22:46
Message: <34A52B56.3006449C@Emma.COM>
Robert J Becraft wrote:
> 
> CITY PLANNERS,
> 
> I've got a 1 meter scale city.pov file and associated files, and am
> awaiting o.k. from Michael.  In the meantime, if anyone wants to play
> with a 1 meter set of roads and plain, send me an email and I'll reply
> with the zip file.
> 
> Regards,
> Robert J Becraft
> aka cas### [at] aolcom

Count me in.

bri### [at] emmacom


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From: Eric Freeman
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 22 Jan 1998 16:52:30
Message: <34c7cdce.0@news.povray.org>
Michael Kent wrote in message <348a7620.236262@news.povray.org>...

>I suggest a scale of about 1unit = 25 metres

I just checked out your web page and it sez that one unit = one meter.
Hunh???????

Eric

--
"Either this man is dead or my watch has stopped."
- Groucho Marx

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http://www.datasync.com/~reba/


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From: Brook Monroe
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 9 Dec 1997 21:42:01
Message: <348E0179.F4C8E1F7@worldnet.att.net>
The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.

I'd like a plot in this little burg of yours, but I'm afraid that it'll
never work since I'll be using Moray.

jbm!


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From: Ken Cecka
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 9 Dec 1997 22:43:11
Message: <348e1dce.0@news.povray.org>
For as long as I can remember, POV-Ray has had the Y axis up and left handed
coordinates.  Although that contradicts traditional mathematical 3-space, it
is the set used in many renderers and modelers.  I don't know the reason for
sure, but i'm guess it's because most people are more comfortable with
two-dimensional cartesian coordinates with y being up and x being negative
on the left and positive on the right.  If you've heard of the term
z-buffering, it's a technique for buffering 3-d information in relation to
the foreground and background.  Anyway, If modeling with the y axis up is a
problem in moray, go ahead and model with the z axis up.  When you're done,
export your scene to a pov file.  Edit the pov file with a text editor and
wrap the whole thing in a union.  Inside the closing brace of the union that
you added to the scene, add a rotation and it will spin your whole scene so
that the y-axis is up in your scene.  It shouldn't hinder your modeling at
all.  Good luck!

Ken

Brook Monroe wrote in message <348E0179.F4C8E1F7@worldnet.att.net>...
>The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
>going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.
>
>I'd like a plot in this little burg of yours, but I'm afraid that it'll
>never work since I'll be using Moray.
>
>jbm!
>


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From: BearFace
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 9 Dec 1997 23:34:01
Message: <348E1BB9.4562@coastlink.com.au>
Brook Monroe wrote:
> 
> The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
> going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.

Yeah, it is....x is left-right, z is forward-back (into-outof), and y is
up-down....even maths geometry bears this out, on a 2d graph, x is
horizontal, y is vertical...if you add a third axis it Must be
forward/backwards.
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From: Ken Cecka
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 10 Dec 1997 17:36:16
Message: <348f2768.0@news.povray.org>
Actually, traditional cartesian coordinates in 3-space have a vertical z
axis with x going in and out and y left to right.

Ken

BearFace wrote in message <348### [at] coastlinkcomau>...
>Brook Monroe wrote:
>>
>> The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
>> going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.
>
>Yeah, it is....x is left-right, z is forward-back (into-outof), and y is
>up-down....even maths geometry bears this out, on a 2d graph, x is
>horizontal, y is vertical...if you add a third axis it Must be
>forward/backwards.
>--
>** The only good politician is a dead politician.
>** Email me: bay### [at] coastlinkcomau
>** Believe 1% of what you see or hear.
>** Always read between the lines.


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From: Brook Monroe
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 11 Dec 1997 12:07:29
Message: <34901DD1.D4D09820@worldnet.att.net>
BearFace wrote:

> Brook Monroe wrote:
> >
> > The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
> > going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.
>
> Yeah, it is....x is left-right, z is forward-back (into-outof), and y is
> up-down....even maths geometry bears this out, on a 2d graph, x is
> horizontal, y is vertical...if you add a third axis it Must be
> forward/backwards.
> --
> ** The only good politician is a dead politician.
> ** Email me: bay### [at] coastlinkcomau
> ** Believe 1% of what you see or hear.
> ** Always read between the lines.

  I disagree.  The Cartesian plane is 2D, x/y, traditionally considered to be
a flat horizontal surface (read "Flatland"), and we (the 3D folks) inhabit the
domains spread out along the Z axis.  To look at it another way, X is
east-west, Y is north-south, and Z is in the atmosphere or underground.  Don't
get all hornswoggled because your algebra teacher drew graphs on the
blackboard.

jbm!


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From: George Hunt
Subject: Re: Virtual Real Estate Plots FREE!!
Date: 10 Dec 1997 00:06:00
Message: <348e227d.264999159@news.stmuc.com>
On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:42:01 -0500, Brook Monroe
<rin### [at] worldnetattnet> wrote:

>The Y axis is UP?  What country did YOU study geometry in? <G> This is
>going to ruddy well make things difficult to produce in Moray, you know.
>

Well, you know, that was my first thought.  I'm a long time user and
strong supporter of MORAY.   And although Y=UP is a bit alien to me
now too, it shouldn't be a problem.  I intend to use MORAY (for
Windows) and just build everything so that Y is UP, even if MORAY
thinks Z is up.   I could be wrong --- I havn't tried it yet --- but
it should work.


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