On 15-2-2013 2:05, MichaelJF wrote:
> I'm totally frustrated at the moment having lost the Tina-Chep deadline. But
> after having rendered a most of the scene I got a blue screen and all was lost.
> I tried to start it over, but the deadline was lost. So you can look at the
> picture here. And please nitpick about it. The title is "Lost Beauty". The topic
> was "After the storm".

I am sorry to hear that Michael, and already with so few images in this 
round. Thanks for putting the image here so that we can at least enjoy it.

This is a difficult type of scene to do indeed. I like the way you have 
treated the water as a media, although I would have liked to see small 
debris in suspension. I recall a shark by Jim Charter which showed that 
and it was very effective to recreate a watery environment. Shouldn't 
sun rays be more visible, broken by surface waves/ripples, with light 
spots on the sand?

I agree with Kenneth about the sand around the statue (the figurehead of 
the ship, I suppose?). Not sure how it would have to look but I think 
that small water currents would create ridges and furrows around it.

I love the way the dolphin nibbles the hand :-)

Overall, well done; maybe the scene is a bit too empty, but that is just 
my 2 cents.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 15-2-2013 2:05, MichaelJF wrote:
>
> I am sorry to hear that Michael, and already with so few images in this
> round. Thanks for putting the image here so that we can at least enjoy it.
>
> This is a difficult type of scene to do indeed. I like the way you have
> treated the water as a media, although I would have liked to see small
> debris in suspension. I recall a shark by Jim Charter which showed that
> and it was very effective to recreate a watery environment. Shouldn't
> sun rays be more visible, broken by surface waves/ripples, with light
> spots on the sand?

It was very late as I posted this picture and I was a bit too tired to give
remarks about the picture. I experimented a while with an isosurface sea and
yielded some nice effects, but not the one I wanted. So I fall back to tweak the
sea by Johnny Yip until I came close to my imagination. So credits for the sea
goes to Johnny mostly.

> I agree with Kenneth about the sand around the statue (the figurehead of
> the ship, I suppose?). Not sure how it would have to look but I think
> that small water currents would create ridges and furrows around it.

You are right about that both.

>
> I love the way the dolphin nibbles the hand :-)

Thanks.

Best regards,
Michael

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MichaelJF wrote:

> I'm totally frustrated at the moment having lost the Tina-Chep deadline. 

too bad ... you probably could have tweaked it for "woman" topic too.

But nice image and good underwater feel in the distance.

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Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> MichaelJF wrote:
>
> > I'm totally frustrated at the moment having lost the Tina-Chep deadline.
>
> too bad ... you probably could have tweaked it for "woman" topic too.
>
> But nice image and good underwater feel in the distance.

Thanks a lot, I didn't came up with the idea to use it for the next topic. Now I
will go for a picture of a nordisc germanistic - or better viking - goddess of
feminity - Freya. I think this should meet the topic. I only would like to have
a kind of joke in it. And about this I have no idea so far. Maybe Loki can do
something, but at the moment, I have no idea what.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 19/02/2013 8:00 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> Thanks a lot, I didn't came up with the idea to use it for the next topic. Now I
> will go for a picture of a nordisc germanistic - or better viking - goddess of
> feminity - Freya.

And she was the champion of housewives and marriage. IIRC.

That gives scope for a "Victorian" scene with her bathing along with her 
seven daughters. :-)
The mind boggles!


>I think this should meet the topic.

I would say so.

> I only would like to have
> a kind of joke in it. And about this I have no idea so far. Maybe Loki can do
> something, but at the moment, I have no idea what.

Change the sheep for beetles.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 19/02/2013 8:00 PM, MichaelJF wrote:

> And she was the champion of housewives and marriage. IIRC.

> That gives scope for a "Victorian" scene with her bathing along with her
> seven daughters. :-)
> The mind boggles!

And she was the leader of the Valkyries selecting the heroes for Valhalla. So
she was a goddess of war too. I'm not really familiar with the work of Richard
Wagner. First because opera is not my first choice of music (despite the fact
that I really like a mixture of opera and heavy-metal - Tarja Turunen or
Nightwish from Finland or Epica from the Netherlands) and second because Richard
Wagners works were the favourite music of a certain former ruler of Germany
during the 30ies and 40ies of the last centuriy. I hate everything that is
associated with this ruler to the bone. I think you know why...

The depictings of Freya changed a lot during the centuries. The Vikings
themselfs depicted her as an mature and clothed woman (as I know from figurines
depicted in books within my little private library about archeology -
unfortunatelly copyrighted material I cannot post here). Since Wagner you have
more explicit pictures with younger women showing their breasts.

I will not go for the Jord-picture, that is to you Stephen.

Best regards,
Michael

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I must admit that Adolf Hitler was not the biggest slaughter the world has seen.
He killed 9 million people. The biggested slaughter in history are the 50
million Inka killed in behalf of the pope.

Best regards,
Michael

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Am 20.02.2013 20:48, schrieb MichaelJF:
> I must admit that Adolf Hitler was not the biggest slaughter the world has seen.
> He killed 9 million people. The biggested slaughter in history are the 50
> million Inka killed in behalf of the pope.

Citation needed.

According to Wikipedia, estimates of the population of the Inca empire 
at its peak(!) range from about 4 million to 37 million.

By the time the Spanish conquest of Inca territory began in 1532, the 
Inca empire had already suffered from a present civil war and a smallpox 
epidemic, wiping out an estimated 60% to 94% of the Inca empire's 
population.

While the Spanish did kill all remaining Incas, it is important to note 
that those were only the /ruling/ people. The Spanish had no interest in 
killing the other inhabitants of the empire (people that had previously 
been conquered by the Inca), as they were more valuable as slave workers 
in the gold and silver mines. While this, too, cost countless of lives, 
many more died from epidemics of typhus, influenza, diphtheria, measles, 
and again smallpox every now and then.

And still this did not wipe out the entire population of the former Inca 
empire; they lived on as subjects of the Spanish crown, and still 
constitute part of the Argentinian, Bolivian, Chilenian, Colombian, 
Ecuadorian and Peruvian population, together with their old language, 
Quechua.

So not really a slaughter, was it?

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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> And still this did not wipe out the entire population of the former Inca
> empire; they lived on as subjects of the Spanish crown, and still
> constitute part of the Argentinian, Bolivian, Chilenian, Colombian,
> Ecuadorian and Peruvian population, together with their old language,
> Quechua.

Aymara, the main language that predated the Incas, is still spoken by about 1/5
of Bolivian people.  It is the major language of La Paz, other than Spanish.
(Try to picture an American near-monoglot like me, trying to communicate with a
saleslady who speaks Aymara/Quechua, but no Spanish, via her granddaughter who
speaks Spanish, but no English.  BTW, 8-year-old kids there know the English
word for "dinero," and they know the exchange rate!)  Bolivia has 37 official
languages (according to Wikipedia; I was told 38 when I visited there), all
except one of which are indigenous languages.

(Our tour guide was a German expat, BTW.)

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"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > And still this did not wipe out the entire population of the former Inca
> > empire; they lived on as subjects of the Spanish crown, and still
> > constitute part of the Argentinian, Bolivian, Chilenian, Colombian,
> > Ecuadorian and Peruvian population, together with their old language,
> > Quechua.
>
> Aymara, the main language that predated the Incas, is still spoken by about 1/5
> of Bolivian people.  It is the major language of La Paz, other than Spanish.
> (Try to picture an American near-monoglot like me, trying to communicate with a
> saleslady who speaks Aymara/Quechua, but no Spanish, via her granddaughter who
> speaks Spanish, but no English.  BTW, 8-year-old kids there know the English
> word for "dinero," and they know the exchange rate!)  Bolivia has 37 official
> languages (according to Wikipedia; I was told 38 when I visited there), all
> except one of which are indigenous languages.
>
> (Our tour guide was a German expat, BTW.)

First I'm puzzled that no one recognized my typo about Hitlers doings. He
slaughtered some 29 million people and not 9 million. With slaughter I mean the
killing of people which are not or not sufficiently able to defend themselves.
Like the Inka against the guiles and the guns of Pizarro. The figure of 50
million dead Inka I have from a german TV documentation (Terra X) but I cannot
figure out which one so fast.

Best regards,
Michael

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