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From: Doctor John
Subject: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 13 Jul 2009 10:24:03
Message: <4a5b4383@news.povray.org>
Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
of the isosuface code)

John
-- 
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 13 Jul 2009 16:21:40
Message: <cq5n559d4erqvtuees1u82agvcav658oqm@4ax.com>
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:55 +0100, Doctor John <joh### [at] homecom> wrote:

>Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
>most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
>direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
>ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
>isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
>of the isosuface code)
>

I can just see you dancing around in the nudie come mid winter :-)

Nice idea, brother.
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 14 Jul 2009 03:33:15
Message: <4a5c34bb$1@news.povray.org>
"Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> schreef in bericht 
news:4a5b4383@news.povray.org...
> Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
> most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
> direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
> ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
> isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
> of the isosuface code)
>

An open side?? I missed that info apparently....

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 14 Jul 2009 11:35:00
Message: <web.4a5ca54e995a17e55fee4dc70@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> "Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> schreef in bericht
> news:4a5b4383@news.povray.org...
> > Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
> > most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
> > direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
> > ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
> > isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
> > of the isosuface code)
>
> An open side?? I missed that info apparently....

Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles that they
rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by either
the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before completion -
instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects were
bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right? And I
find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
entrance.

I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels might
give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe they
have recent news there.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 03:19:39
Message: <4a5d830b$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4a5ca54e995a17e55fee4dc70@news.povray.org...
> Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles 
> that they
> rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by 
> either
> the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
> filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before 
> completion -
> instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects 
> were
> bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
> purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right? 
> And I
> find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
> entrance.
>
> I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels 
> might
> give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
> average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe 
> they
> have recent news there.

Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of 
stone circles.

Thomas


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 06:02:33
Message: <4a5da939@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
> news:web.4a5ca54e995a17e55fee4dc70@news.povray.org...
>> Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles 
>> that they
>> rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by 
>> either
>> the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
>> filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before 
>> completion -
>> instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects 
>> were
>> bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
>> purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right? 
>> And I
>> find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
>> entrance.
>>
>> I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels 
>> might
>> give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
>> average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe 
>> they
>> have recent news there.
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of 
> stone circles.
> 
> Thomas 
> 

From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
The avenue which is oriented north-east towards the rising sun on the
summer solstice connects with the Avon. You cross that and head for the
place of the living which is Woodhenge. I find this explanation more
convincing mainly because seeing stone as dead and unchanging and wood
as alive and growing leads one to naturally to building your 'temples'
to both death and life in their associated material.
BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
midsummer's day in the wrong place.

John
-- 
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 08:59:22
Message: <4a5dd2aa@news.povray.org>
"Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> wrote in message 
news:4a5da939@news.povray.org...
> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
> ...
> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
> midsummer's day in the wrong place.
>

Also, I've just read that there's no record of Druids before 200BC, so the 
modern folk are perfoming rituals for which there's little historical 
evidence, probably in the wrong place, facing the wrong way, at the wrong 
time of year. Still, anyone can make a mistake.

Chris B.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 10:04:09
Message: <4a5de1d9@news.povray.org>
"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:4a5dd2aa@news.povray.org...
>
> "Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> wrote in message 
> news:4a5da939@news.povray.org...
>> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
>> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
>> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
>> ...
>> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
>> midsummer's day in the wrong place.
>>
>
> Also, I've just read that there's no record of Druids before 200BC, so the 
> modern folk are perfoming rituals for which there's little historical 
> evidence, probably in the wrong place, facing the wrong way, at the wrong 
> time of year. Still, anyone can make a mistake.
>

Absolutely. As far as I know, Stonehenge was built long before druidism 
became the leading religion in Celtic Europe. Do you know of the Riverside 
Project in 2008? That gave some interesting clues about the use of 
Stonehenge as a healing center.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/stonehenge

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 12:45:00
Message: <web.4a5e0770995a17e5a95afc190@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of
> stone circles.

.... except that I guess we must invent a new word for those thingumajigs :P


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stonehenge (wip)
Date: 15 Jul 2009 13:00:00
Message: <web.4a5e0a16995a17e5a95afc190@news.povray.org>
Doctor John <joh### [at] homecom> wrote:
> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
> The avenue which is oriented north-east towards the rising sun on the
> summer solstice connects with the Avon. You cross that and head for the
> place of the living which is Woodhenge. I find this explanation more
> convincing mainly because seeing stone as dead and unchanging and wood
> as alive and growing leads one to naturally to building your 'temples'
> to both death and life in their associated material.

I must say that I favor a theory of changing use over time. After all, the site
was in use for at least about 1000 years, and the design changed multiple
times.


> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
> midsummer's day in the wrong place.

Not only that - they're utterly mixing up different cults; stonehenge was built
millennia before druidic times :P


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