Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:web.46704d92fabeec67c150d4c10@news.povray.org...
> 
>>If it's too strong, just add milk.  It's in the fridge.  Or cream if you
>>like.  But, for the love of pete and everything decent, don't add sugar...
>>
> 
> 
> Oh dear! I love black coffee... but I just need some sugar in it  :-)
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 

I'm really not much of a coffee drinker, but when I do it has to have 
cream AND sugar!  (I'm much more addicted to colas or iced tea...)     :-)

Anyone remember the "Pepsi Challenge" (PepsiCola vs CocaCola) some years 
back?  I got caught in one of those once -- and I preferred Coke to 
Pepsi.  (My impression was that Pepsi was sweeter but Coke had the 
better flavor -- I went with the flavor.)

      -=- Larry -=-

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"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> My latest CGSphere entry (#12) for your approval.
> Original link: [http://www.cgsphere.com/gallery/details/?submission_id=3288]
>
> -tgq
Unbelievable! Or, rather, very believable!

I'm still new enough to Pov-ray to consider hdr probes cheating, but if this
is cheating, holy crap, what a beatiful cheat! o.O I guess you've just made
me slide a notch toward the dark side.

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"Grassblade" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > My latest CGSphere entry (#12) for your approval.
> > Original link: [http://www.cgsphere.com/gallery/details/?submission_id=3288]
> >
> > -tgq
> Unbelievable! Or, rather, very believable!
>
> I'm still new enough to Pov-ray to consider hdr probes cheating, but if this
> is cheating, holy crap, what a beatiful cheat! o.O I guess you've just made
> me slide a notch toward the dark side.

I used to think that as well, but I have gotten lazy over time.  I'll gladly
take a shortcut.  In order to make something equal to an HDR probe in pov...
you would have so much code just for the environment.  Then you have to
model your scene on top of that.  Lots of time...  So, an hdr probe
simplifies that... you don't need to make the highly detailed scene to get
a realistic result.

My only problem with them is that it takes so long to download one on
dialup... I still have yet to experiment with using one.

Good work on the model... looks very realistic.  The metal needs a few
scratches on it... or less turbulence in the normals.  That may make it
look more metal-like.  Other than that... good work!

----
View My Portfolio At
http://allen.emailnuts.com/

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"Grassblade" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > My latest CGSphere entry (#12) for your approval.
> > Original link: [http://www.cgsphere.com/gallery/details/?submission_id=3288]
> >
> > -tgq
> Unbelievable! Or, rather, very believable!
>
> I'm still new enough to Pov-ray to consider hdr probes cheating, but if this
> is cheating, holy crap, what a beatiful cheat! o.O I guess you've just made
> me slide a notch toward the dark side.

I know what you mean about cheating, but the hdr also provides for the scene
lighting if you've seen the lightdome macro I posted recently.

-tgq

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Allen wrote:
> I used to think that as well, but I have gotten lazy over time.  

   Me too, but I evolved to a sort of post-justification: if POV-Ray 
supports a feature, using it isn't cheating! ;)

--
Jaime

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"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> I know what you mean about cheating, but the hdr also provides for the scene
> lighting if you've seen the lightdome macro I posted recently.
>
> -tgq

Ah, yes I've seen it and I've been meaning to at least try it out, but I
have yet to read Pov-ray's manual end-to-end let alone Megapov's. So no hdr
for me just yet. :-)

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"Allen" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> I used to think that as well, but I have gotten lazy over time.  I'll gladly
> take a shortcut.  In order to make something equal to an HDR probe in pov...
> you would have so much code just for the environment.  Then you have to
> model your scene on top of that.  Lots of time...  So, an hdr probe
> simplifies that... you don't need to make the highly detailed scene to get
> a realistic result.
>
> My only problem with them is that it takes so long to download one on
> dialup... I still have yet to experiment with using one.

> ----
> View My Portfolio At
> http://allen.emailnuts.com/
True. And I'll probably give in sooner or later, if I hold on to POV-ray
long enough. However, if as you say, downloading one takes so long, then
you have few probes. Which means you'll be reusing the same ones over and
over. If you went to the admittedly huge trouble of making a realistic
enough environment in POV, you could change significant portions of it when
needed. If done with care, it wouldn't look like you'd be reusing always the
same scene.

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Well Friend,

Looks like you have the top rated image on CGSphere.  Congrats!

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"Allen" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Well Friend,
>
> Looks like you have the top rated image on CGSphere.  Congrats!

Thanks, but not anymore (someone named Allen just dropped the rating down).

-tgq

PS.  that's ok, no worries, was nice while it lasted.  It's nice to at least
have 2 in the top 10 representing POV against the big boys.

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"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
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>
> PS.  that's ok, no worries, was nice while it lasted.  It's nice to at 
> least
> have 2 in the top 10 representing POV against the big boys.

Yessss!  I agree!!  :-)

Thomas

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