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From: Rene Bui
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 08:40:01
Message: <web.418b81eaa1b93fc4acdee7450@news.povray.org>
> The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
> after Vermeer (1658 ?)


Thanks all,
>Just above the lip looks a little funny to me
>Looks a little funny around the lower philtrum area
Well, I think that I have some work yet. 3d modelling is like a deep hole, a
story never ending. ;-)

>How did you get the cloth to shape so well?
>but one think really rocks me, and stays with me is the fall of the drapery
Free hand and intuition that's what I like because that remind me when I was
an Art school student learning sculpture.
But there is no doubt, everything stays perfectible.

>I'd lose the earring though. It doesn't do justice to the original. But, maybe that
just me being Dutch.
For me, the earring is one of the most important things in this painting. It
certainly brings the depth in a flat image.
Well, work, work, work...

>BTW did you render both girls or mirrored the image?
Mirrored the image.

In fact, this image is a little part of an ambitious project I started
recently.
Briefly, my goal is a kind of re-interpretation of some famous artworks
(about 10 ) I loved when I was twenty. A sort of personnal Pantheon of a
young man.
In this one, I played with the sense of confusion between digital art,
photorealism and painting. I tried also to reproduce the fascination for a
charismatic figure. A sensation that I had when I saw this painting for the
first time.
The concept of twin girls came later. Because my idea was to magnify the
fascination and/or rejection feeling that we have all  about the *copy* (a
propos du double) which is always hypnotic.


Rene
(the old newbie)
PS: Sorry for my poor English, but it is not my native language and is not
the best way for me to explain what I mean.


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From: Dave Matthews
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 09:18:31
Message: <418b8bb7$1@news.povray.org>
Rene Bui wrote:
> The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
> after Vermeer (1658 ?)
> 
> Hi all,
> This is my POVCOMP wip. I don't know if it was a good idea to post this
> image according to the rule of anonymity, but I can't wait for your
> opinions.

This is one of the best renderings of a human head I've seen.  Looking 
through many 3d art sites (thanks to the links provided by Gilles), I 
was struck by how many of them had adopted this bizarre video-game 
sexy-mannequin female as a supposedly realistic ideal.  This is totally 
the opposite.  It captures the human quality so well.  If I knew more 
about art, I could probably identify why.  It might be the slight 
overbite, or the roundness to the jowls -- something.  But this is 
really remarkable.  And the textures and draping of the cloth is 
perfect.  Get this finished and turned in, please!

A few more like this, and the contest will have plenty of examples of 
what POVRay can do in the hands of artists.

> It is completly handmade in Wings with the magical and very useful *tweak*
> tool, then rendered in Mlpov/Pov 3.5.

This is probably ^why^ it's so much better than the commercial, canned 
POSER figures.

And when the contest is over, perhaps you can write a tutorial.  Many of 
us would be very grateful.

Dave Matthews


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From: Rene Bui
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 09:35:01
Message: <web.418b8e93a1b93fc4acdee7450@news.povray.org>
<It seems as if the girl on your image is more confident about herself, the
girl on the painting seems a bit unsecure, maybe even scared by the
painter.

You're definitively right ! The girl on the painting was probably a servant
and maybe she was terrified by Vermeer. But when I look in her eyes for a
long time, I can see a sort of quiet force. Behind the appearances, for me,
she's stronger than we think. Perhaps, this is what I want to *paint*.

Rene
(the old newbie)
PS: Sorry for my poor English, but it is not my native language and is not
the best way for me to explain what I mean.


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From: Florian Brucker
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 10:18:26
Message: <418b99c2$1@news.povray.org>
Rene Bui wrote:
> PS: Sorry for my poor English, but it is not my native language and is not
> the best way for me to explain what I mean.

Your English is fine, no problems understanding what you're saying over 
here, and I'm no native English speaker myself :)

Florian
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From: Renderdog
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 10:25:00
Message: <web.418b9a1ca1b93fc4b8a63dd50@news.povray.org>
Incredible work! So many great touches.

You've probably seen this:
http://girl-with-a-pearl-earring.20m.com/

If you're going to do a mirror, it would be a good
opportunity to model a period mirror with all its
flaws and imperfections, as well as a frame to
match the face.


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From: stm31415
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 10:40:00
Message: <web.418b9e51a1b93fc4df706a580@news.povray.org>
Incredible. Certainly everything everyone has said is true, but I just want
to congratulate you on this: You were able to, instead of copying the
masterwork, pick out that element which spoke to you, and you made it your
own. Looking at the two next to each other, one gets a deeper sence of your
work, and of how you *see* the Vermeer. Truly, not only an excellent
digital rendering, but a work of art as well.

-S


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From: stephen parkinson
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 16:28:57
Message: <418bf099@news.povray.org>
Rene Bui wrote:
> The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
> after Vermeer (1658 ?)
> 
> Hi all,
> This is my POVCOMP wip. I don't know if it was a good idea to post this
> image according to the rule of anonymity, but I can't wait for your
> opinions.
> It is completly handmade in Wings with the magical and very useful *tweak*
> tool, then rendered in Mlpov/Pov 3.5.
> The mirror effect was post processed in PSP just for testing.  I will add
> later a new camera location and a vertical mirror in consideration of the
> contest rules.
> 
> Rene
> (the old newbie)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
if this was submitted as an entry, and deemed inadequate

i wonder whats expected as adequate

my first reaction was 'oh my god, i'm going back to bed'
actually it was as above, but 'forget the bed bit'

my mother painted in just about anything and i wonder if i should try
and don't, because i'll know i'll fail

maybe i think with a computer it should be easier, it seems it isn't

maybe one day, i'll understand how to do a gravel path or a cloud

stephen


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From: Harold
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 17:18:24
Message: <418bfc30$1@news.povray.org>
Wow. I gotta start playing with Wings ;-)
Really impressive piece!

H

"Rene Bui" <ren### [at] freefr> wrote in message
news:web.418ac5a92c391db57b7fef3f0@news.povray.org...
> The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
> after Vermeer (1658 ?)
>
> Hi all,
> This is my POVCOMP wip. I don't know if it was a good idea to post this
> image according to the rule of anonymity, but I can't wait for your
> opinions.
> It is completly handmade in Wings with the magical and very useful *tweak*
> tool, then rendered in Mlpov/Pov 3.5.
> The mirror effect was post processed in PSP just for testing.  I will add
> later a new camera location and a vertical mirror in consideration of the
> contest rules.
>
> Rene
> (the old newbie)
>


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 5 Nov 2004 19:23:45
Message: <418c1991$1@news.povray.org>
As  a sort of salute to your piece I went up to the Met today to check 
out the Vermeer's.  I'd thought there was a similar painting.  So I had 
a look at this one:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/verm/hob_1979.396.1.htm

But the galleries the Vermeer's usually hang in are under construction 
and they had all the Flemish paintings in a different place.  This lead 
to the curious experience of seeing all the museum's Rembrandts hanging 
on a temporary wall colored the most saturated possible industrial blue. 
  Showed off the Rembrandt's subtle play of burnt sienna tones 
wonderfully...not


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From: Fernando G  del Cueto
Subject: Re: The Twin Girls with a Pearl Earring
Date: 6 Nov 2004 02:36:38
Message: <418c7f06$1@news.povray.org>
I'm fascinated by your talent to extract a 3D model from that painting. 
Awesome!

Fernando


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