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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:24:14
Message: <407d73be@news.povray.org>
In article <Xns94CB4705A1982raf256com@203.29.75.35>, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" 
<spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:

>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>> begin-base64 644 fp.png
>> iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAoAAAAHgCAIAAAC6s0uzAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAAAN
>> zQklU
>> CAgI2+FP4AAAACpJREFUeJzswTEBAAAAwqD1T20MH6AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADgYQA
>> AAP//
>
>
> I think that You should
>
> 1. use MIME encoding attachments
> 2. rather use jpeg instead of PNG

Wrong: He is using the web news interface posting and cannot control the
format which messages are posted in at all.

Plain (aka non-MIME) base 64 attachments have been posted to this group
before and as there had not been complaints about them back then, and given
that the newsreaders I tried did support the format, I decided to use it.

However, if there are too many (current versions of) newsreaders that do not
support this format, which I do know to be on the slightly less frequently
used group of the many messages formats in use, it will be possible to
change it.  After all, the web news view posting is only in a testing state.

    Thorsten

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From: Rafal 'Raf256' Maj
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:48:54
Message: <Xns94CBC97BEE92raf256com@203.29.75.35>
tho### [at] trfde news:407d73be@news.povray.org

> However, if there are too many (current versions of) newsreaders that
> do not support this format, which I do know to be on the slightly less
> frequently used group of the many messages formats in use, it will be
> possible to change it.  After all, the web news view posting is only
> in a testing state. 

AFAIK, as Darren pointed out, the problem is in wrong headers, Xnews can 
handle thoes format (if there is correct informations in headers).

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From: Roberto Amorim
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:50:21
Message: <407d79dd@news.povray.org>
> > Base 64.
> Yeah, that is what it says. But how to decode that one?
> With UUencode I can stil read the image in winzip,
> this one it does not know.

Winzip will do (cut the text below and including the line with begin-base64,
put in a text file and change its extension to .b64. Open in Winzip and
voila). I'll post Brian's image below (converted to jpg) for additional
karma points. :-)


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:55:02
Message: <c5jtp0$8cc$1@chho.imagico.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> [...]
> 
> Plain (aka non-MIME) base 64 attachments have been posted to this group
> before and as there had not been complaints about them back then, and given
> that the newsreaders I tried did support the format, I decided to use it.

I wonder what newsreaders you tried.  Mozilla 1.5, KNode 0.7.2 and Gnus 
5.10.2 do not support it...

Christoph

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:56:32
Message: <407d7b50@news.povray.org>
In article <407d5810$1@news.povray.org> , Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
wrote:

> *If* the web site is going to send things out as uuencoded, it's quite
> important not to lie about that and hence not to put
>    content-type: text/plain
> in the headers, because it's obviously not plain text.

But that is what is inside and the header is correct!  Headers never apply
to attachments, thus it is irrelevant what is in the header.

Even if not, the robustness principle dictates that newsreaders have to
display content regardless of the format they assume if the content is
something they are able to decode.  And the newsreaders I have for testing
do this without problems.

Thus, if you cannot view the message it simply implies your newsreader does
not support this format.  Your message header is not too precise which
version of Mozilla's newsreader you are using.  If it is an early version, I
do recall their newsreader having many bugs and problems in general, so if
the current Mozilla docs suggest it should support this format, maybe the
current version does indeed do so.

    Thorsten

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 13:58:09
Message: <407d7bb1$1@news.povray.org>
In article <407### [at] hotmailcom> , andrel 
<a_l### [at] hotmailcom>  wrote:

> Yeah, that is what it says. But how to decode that one?
> With UUencode I can stil read the image in winzip,
> this one it does not know.

uudecode should be able to decode it.  Make sure you got a version of
uudecode compiled after 1995 or so, assuming your uudecode is based on the
GNU uudecode.

    Thorsten

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 14:00:38
Message: <407d7c46$1@news.povray.org>
In article <Xns94CBC97BEE92raf256com@203.29.75.35>, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" 
<spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:

>> However, if there are too many (current versions of) newsreaders that
>> do not support this format, which I do know to be on the slightly less
>> frequently used group of the many messages formats in use, it will be
>> possible to change it.  After all, the web news view posting is only
>> in a testing state.
>
> AFAIK, as Darren pointed out, the problem is in wrong headers, Xnews can
> handle thoes format (if there is correct informations in headers).

Nope, Darren is wrong.

Still, if many people here use odd newsreaders rather than the mainstream
ones, there will probably be little choice but to generate full MIME
messages <sigh>

    Thorsten

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 14:02:18
Message: <407d7caa$1@news.povray.org>
In article <NKh### [at] econymdemoncouk> , Mike Williams 
<nos### [at] econymdemoncouk>  wrote:

> The headers say "X-Newsreader: POV-Ray Web Interface". Is this is the
> first attachment that's come through the POV-Ray Web Interface since it
> started allowing attachments to be posted again? It's the first one I've
> seen on the particular pov.binaries.* newsgroups that I subscribe to.
>
> Perhaps the support for attachments through the web interface isn't
> working too well yet.

It is working as designed, which of course does not imply the messages can
be read by all newsreaders.  See my other replies for the boring details.

    Thorsten

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From: Shay
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 14:26:32
Message: <407d8258$1@news.povray.org>
"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:c5jtp0$8cc$1@chho.imagico.de...
| Mozilla 1.5, KNode 0.7.2 and Gnus
| 5.10.2 do not support it...

ditto OE6
ditto Thunderbird 0.5

 -Shay


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: My First Post
Date: 14 Apr 2004 14:41:58
Message: <407D85DE.9050304@hotmail.com>
Roberto Amorim wrote:
>>>Base 64.
>>
>>Yeah, that is what it says. But how to decode that one?
>>With UUencode I can stil read the image in winzip,
>>this one it does not know.
> 
> 
> Winzip will do (cut the text below and including the line with begin-base64,
> put in a text file and change its extension to .b64. Open in Winzip and
> voila). 
Does not work for me :( (used winzip 8.1 and 9.0)
> I'll post Brian's image below (converted to jpg) for additional
> karma points. :-)
Thanks.


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