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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 4 Jan 2000 22:34:19
Message: <chrishuff_99-81B08D.22332304012000@news.povray.org>
After the talking about fly tying, I decided to make some flies in POV. 
This type is called the Royal Coachman. It is a trout fly, but can be 
used for just about anything. The model isn't quite complete, it doesn't 
have any wings. Also, on most of the ones I tie, the red band is 
narrower, and a lot flatter(less "bulge" to it). Sometimes fine gold 
colored wire is wrapped around the red band.

The red band is floss, and the humps on each side are peacock strands. 
The tail is made of fibers from golden pheasant neck feathers.
There is a fly called the Royal Wulff, which has white hair wings 
instead of feater wings but is otherwise identical. I may do that 
instead.

This is all hand coded.

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Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 4 Jan 2000 22:51:08
Message: <3872bfac@news.povray.org>
Umm... nice, but to me they don't look like flies. I guess the important
thing it fooling the fish, so if this does it, great job. :)


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 4 Jan 2000 23:02:58
Message: <3872C208.7288E090@pacbell.net>
Chris Huff wrote:
> 
> After the talking about fly tying, I decided to make some flies in POV.
> This type is called the Royal Coachman. It is a trout fly, but can be
> used for just about anything. The model isn't quite complete, it doesn't
> have any wings. Also, on most of the ones I tie, the red band is
> narrower, and a lot flatter(less "bulge" to it). Sometimes fine gold
> colored wire is wrapped around the red band.

A classic though I generaly prefer a different color pattern. More black
with a white mix in the tuft. Perhaps eastern trout have different taste
than western trout :) Good modelling job none the less.

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 4 Jan 2000 23:12:00
Message: <chrishuff_99-8E46D2.23120604012000@news.povray.org>
In article <3872bfac@news.povray.org>, "TonyB" 
<ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> wrote:

> Umm... nice, but to me they don't look like flies. I guess the important
> thing it fooling the fish, so if this does it, great job. :)

Sigh...
They are usually designed to look like an insect or animal the fish uses 
as food, such as caddis flies, mayflies, stoneflies(see where the "fly" 
part comes from?). These insects don't bear much of a resemblence to 
houseflies. And some flies are designed to imitate the aquatic nymphal 
or larval forms of the insects, which look *very* different. And some 
imitate terrestrial insects that may fall into the water, like 
grasshoppers or ants. And some imitate small minnows or prey fish, like 
sculpin.
And then there are the variety called attracters, they don't imitate 
anything that we know of, they just catch a lot of fish. The royal 
coachman and royal wulff are of this variety.

The ones in this image happen to be "dry flies", which float above the 
surface of the water using surface tension. There are also wet flies, 
which imitate swimming or drifting insects, nymphs, which imitate the 
nymphal forms, and streamers, which imitate the baitfish.

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Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 01:53:13
Message: <3872ea59@news.povray.org>
Chris,

Nicely done.
Great subject matter.

Peter


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 02:40:57
Message: <3872F589.565A5B8A@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Looks fine! My dad also makes his own flies. Is this one a dry one? I
guess so. I have to send it to him.
I especially like the hok and the it's texture.

Marc

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From: Alan Kong
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 05:49:36
Message: <ba867scmuj43f2rp2g1arist8cd1nohb0c@4ax.com>
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:12:06 -0500, in message
<chrishuff_99-8E46D2.23120604012000@news.povray.org>, Chris Huff
<chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>Sigh...
>They are usually designed to look like an insect or animal the fish uses 
>as food, such as caddis flies, mayflies, stoneflies(see where the "fly" 
>part comes from?).

  Chris, when we were back in GO POVRAY did you ever see Dan Farmer's
image of what I recall was a mayfly nymph sitting on the bottom of a
rocky stream?

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 09:05:45
Message: <chrishuff_99-46F62B.09055105012000@news.povray.org>
In article <ba867scmuj43f2rp2g1arist8cd1nohb0c@4ax.com>, Alan Kong 
<ako### [at] povrayNO-SPAMorg> wrote:

>   Chris, when we were back in GO POVRAY did you ever see Dan Farmer's
> image of what I recall was a mayfly nymph sitting on the bottom of a
> rocky stream?

Hmm, I do remember downloading a nymph of some kind done in POV-Ray. But 
I think it was a stonefly nymph, and wasn't on the bottom of a stream. 
Maybe it was a mayfly, and it was a scene to demonstrate the nymph model.

I remember another trout fly picture, I think it showed a dry fly 
floating on water. I don't remember what fly, though...

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Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 09:08:20
Message: <38735054.AE0598A8@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> Looks fine! My dad also makes his own flies. Is this one a dry one? I
> guess so. I have to send it to him.
> I especially like the hok and the it's texture.
> 
> Marc
> 
> --
> Marc Schimmler

I had a short exchange with my dad and he said that the royal coachman
has white wings ... ?
He prefers it because it lands in a softer way and can be seen better on
the water.
Anyway he said your pic is very good!

Marc

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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Royal Coachman(trout fly) - Coachman.jpg (1/1)
Date: 5 Jan 2000 09:21:53
Message: <chrishuff_99-39B9DA.09220005012000@news.povray.org>
In article <38735054.AE0598A8@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>, Marc Schimmler 
<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:

> I had a short exchange with my dad and he said that the royal coachman
> has white wings ... ?

From my original post:
"The model isn't quite complete, it doesn't have any wings."
:-)
The Royal Coachman has white "quill wings", made from intact sections of 
fibers from duck wing feathers. These can be difficult to cast if not 
balanced well, and tend to get shredded after a couple fish.
The Royal Wulff has white calf tail wings, this material is short and 
crinkly, which makes big white plumes for the wings. It is much more 
durable than the quill wings, many people use the Royal Wulff and call 
it the Royal Coachman.
Since I am not really sure how to do quill wings(maybe bezier patches?), 
I will probably do the hair wings.


> He prefers it because it lands in a softer way and can be seen better on
> the water.

Yeah, the big white wings make the Royal Coachman good for low 
visibility conditions, the hair wings on the Royal Wulff are even 
better, and they last a lot longer.

-- 
Chris Huff
e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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