On 13-4-2012 9:31, Thomas de Groot wrote:
I shall write down a couple of things explaining my
> technique (which is still evolving by the way). Coming soon.

A few answers can already be deduced from my thread "Gancaloon - city on 
the Yann" of July 2011 in p.b.i., when I first started really to build 
Gancaloon.

Problems with the shearing of the city walls, were answered in my thread 
"shear matrix problem" in povray.general, also in July 2011.

More to come.

Thomas

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On 13/04/2012 8:37 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 12-4-2012 23:39, Stephen wrote:
>> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
>> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
>> to the free north.
>>
> And me thinking that people were so happy within the walls and did not
> want those blue skins to spoil the fun ;-)
>

A common misconception.


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     Stephen

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Am 12.04.2012 23:39, schrieb Stephen:

> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
> to the free north.

To me as a German, that sounds strangely familiar...

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On 13/04/2012 11:48 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 12.04.2012 23:39, schrieb Stephen:
>
>> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
>> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
>> to the free north.
>
> To me as a German, that sounds strangely familiar...

:-D
Just because they [the Romans] wrote the history it doesn't mean that it 
is true.

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     Stephen

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Stephen escreveu:
> On 13/04/2012 11:48 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 12.04.2012 23:39, schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
>>> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
>>> to the free north.
>>
>> To me as a German, that sounds strangely familiar...
> 
> :-D
> Just because they [the Romans] wrote the history it doesn't mean that it 
> is true.

I think clipka was referring to the Berlin wall.

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Am 13.04.2012 13:06, schrieb Stephen:
> On 13/04/2012 11:48 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 12.04.2012 23:39, schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
>>> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
>>> to the free north.
>>
>> To me as a German, that sounds strangely familiar...
>
> :-D
> Just because they [the Romans] wrote the history it doesn't mean that it
> is true.

Unfortunately it was true for a much more recent wall in Germany. 
Fortunately though that's history now, too.

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On 13/04/2012 6:14 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 13.04.2012 13:06, schrieb Stephen:
>> On 13/04/2012 11:48 AM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 12.04.2012 23:39, schrieb Stephen:
>>>
>>>> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
>>>> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
>>>> to the free north.
>>>
>>> To me as a German, that sounds strangely familiar...
>>
>> :-D
>> Just because they [the Romans] wrote the history it doesn't mean that it
>> is true.
>
> Unfortunately it was true for a much more recent wall in Germany.
> Fortunately though that's history now, too.

Nah! It may be history for Americans but to us Europeans it is just old 
news. :-)

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     Stephen

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On 13/04/2012 6:10 PM, nemesis wrote:
> I think clipka was referring to the Berlin wall.

:-D

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     Stephen

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> I have not yet decided about the other shore. There probably will be a
> watch tower on the summit, as there will be a light house on the island
> offshore. However, for some reason no city developed on the other side.
> In fact the fortifications are mainly for prestige, especially since the
> Turks took over a couple of centuries earlier. Threats from the Punic
> population in the west have mostly disappeared. In future, the Mongols
> will appear but that is outside the scope of the Tale ;-)

I may put my guess here: On the oposite shore, the ground may be 
somewhat unstable, to rocky, sandy, acidic, alcaline,... and thus have 
discouraged peoples from establishing themself in that area.
In such cases, it's probably used mainly as pasture ground with very 
sparse to no constructions.
It's also possible that there is no easy access to fresh water.


> Thomas

Alain

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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 9:36 PM, Alain wrote:

>
> >> The first is the amount of land area enclosed by the city wall and the
> >> small bit
> >> that is occupied by the town.  Is it your intent to fill in this with
> >> more
> >> structures?  The entire town population would be needed to man just
> >> the towers
> >> on this wall.
> > The wall have a big disuasive effect, especialy if most of the time you
> > only need to wory about some unorganised raiders.
> > It also secure fields from poachers and wild animals.
>
> Well the walls could be used like the Roman walls were in Britannia.
> They were used to keep the conquered peoples of the south from escaping
> to the free north.
>
> --
> Regards
>      Stephen

Actually, the walls in Britannia were used to keep the "barbarians" from the
north out of the Roman occupied south.  The walls were continuously manned in a
very specific fashion.  The man-power required for this effort is actually quite
impressive.  Along with the wall, there are forts every so often along the
entire length of the wall.  Men manning the wall were housed in these forts
along with units that could move out to intercept any invading forces spotted
along the length of the wall.

Robert.

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