Thanks Ive, I really appreciate your comments.

Personally, I am not too concerned about these issues and, to be frank, 
I do not see the floor as a problem at all :-) This image is an 
illustration, nothing more, and I do not pretend nor want to reach, 
photorealism or anything else, certainly not perfection. That last would 
seriously hamper my creativity and productivity. While I agree that 
there needs to be some consistency within the image (like the blatant 
image maps for arch and street of which I had been aware but pushed away 
for later) I sincerely believe that other and more subtle types of 
discrepancies like the tiled floor fall within the "artist's liberty" of 
interpretation ;-) and the more so as they will all but disappear with 
the introduction of the figures inside (which will generate other types 
of problems unfortunately.

I often look at those illustrations accompanying the books of Jules 
Verne. There are numerous inconsistencies to be traced, but who cares? 
They fall within the limits (or my limits at least) and can be enjoyed 
fully nevertheless.

Still, your comments are important to determine where I draw those limits.

Thomas

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With the first customers...

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt> wrote:
> With the first customers...

I like this latest one, it's starting to feel like a real, bustling environment!
Good posing on the customers in the foreground.

I can't help feeling, though, that maybe the interior should be a little better
lit. Perhaps a light chimney, or some form of light source (like a lamp, or
fire) off-camera... or maybe just cranking up the exterior brightness a little.

Watching with interest, wishing I had the time to devote to a project like this!
:)

Bill

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On 20-12-2011 11:23, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> I like this latest one, it's starting to feel like a real, bustling environment!
> Good posing on the customers in the foreground.
>
> I can't help feeling, though, that maybe the interior should be a little better
> lit. Perhaps a light chimney, or some form of light source (like a lamp, or
> fire) off-camera... or maybe just cranking up the exterior brightness a little.
>
> Watching with interest, wishing I had the time to devote to a project like this!
> :)
>

Thank you indeed, Bill. I agree with you about the light so, in the 
present image a fire is indeed simulated behind the camera with two 
coloured area lights, in the kitchen area. I can increase its luminosity 
of course by increasing the fade distance. The sun light is already 
quite brilliant: Blackbody(6500)*10 using CIE.inc. I try to keep as 
natural an ambience as possible without using artificial fill in lights 
and such.

About time: retirement age has also its advantages ;-)

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt> wrote:
> I agree with you about the light so, in the
> present image a fire is indeed simulated behind the camera with two
> coloured area lights, in the kitchen area. I can increase its luminosity
> of course by increasing the fade distance. The sun light is already
> quite brilliant: Blackbody(6500)*10 using CIE.inc. I try to keep as
> natural an ambience as possible without using artificial fill in lights
> and such.

Yes, I don't like fill lights either; better to brighten the radiosity or add a
more plausible light source into the scene.

> About time: retirement age has also its advantages ;-)

Aha! I have a while to wait for that. :)

Bill

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On 20-12-2011 14:28, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Yes, I don't like fill lights either; better to brighten the radiosity or add a
> more plausible light source into the scene.

Yes indeed. There are still a few options I want to investigate.

>
>> About time: retirement age has also its advantages ;-)
>
> Aha! I have a while to wait for that. :)

In fact, that is good too. The period before the transition is the most 
difficult is my experience. People around you are going faster and/or 
you are going slower ;-)

Thomas

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Am 20.12.2011 13:11, schrieb Thomas de Groot:

> Thank you indeed, Bill. I agree with you about the light so, in the
> present image a fire is indeed simulated behind the camera with two
> coloured area lights, in the kitchen area. I can increase its luminosity
> of course by increasing the fade distance.

Hint: For realism, fiddling wit the fade distance is discouraged - keep 
it set to approximately the light source size. To increase luminosity, 
simply tweak the brightness instead.

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Am 20.12.2011 11:23, schrieb Bill Pragnell:
> Thomas de Groot<tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt>  wrote:
>> With the first customers...
>
> I like this latest one, it's starting to feel like a real, bustling environment!
> Good posing on the customers in the foreground.

Absolutely. Good job, Tom! The beard works good in this shot, too.

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On 21-12-2011 5:01, clipka wrote:
>
> Hint: For realism, fiddling wit the fade distance is discouraged - keep
> it set to approximately the light source size. To increase luminosity,
> simply tweak the brightness instead.

Yes. As soon as I wrote that, I realized this. I have to be careful 
about the fade distance because I have misused it in the past ;-)

Thomas

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On 21-12-2011 5:02, clipka wrote:
>
> Absolutely. Good job, Tom! The beard works good in this shot, too.

Thanks, Christoph, and yes the beard looks rather well in this subdued 
lighting. I think the main problem in daylight resides in a correct and 
life-like texture. That still needs a lot of experimentation.

Thomas

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