On 21/05/2011 8:58 PM, stbenge wrote:
> I was going from what I could find here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_architecture and also from the few
> buildings I've seen by Frank Lloyd Wright. There are some interesting
> ideas spanning many different styles, but by and large, most designs
> tend toward the utilitarian (form follows function) and simplistic.But
> I won't deny that there /are/ some buildings that manage to be useful
> /and/ look good.
>

Well you are not alone in your views. I could say that you are in the 
company of Prince Charles but I'm not that cruel. ;-)
This is a difficult subject to be objective about.
I saw many examples of attractive buildings in the link you posted. But 
then I was brought up in Glasgow, a very industrial city in my youth. I 
see beauty in lots of industrial settings. I even found the Oil Rigs I 
worked on had a strange beauty. The juxtaposition of wind farms against 
the beauty of nature is something I find attractive to look at. Even 
though I wouldn't want to live there.
I wonder, do you like the music of Bach?

> As a person who loves detailed art and stylized geometry, I find most
> modern architecture boring and just a little soul-destroying.

I do think that most modern housing is an eyesore.

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On 21/05/2011 8:41 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 05/21/2011 04:21 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> Still some modern buildings have their own beauty.
>
> yep ... modern-ish in age I suppose (built in 1915). the whole complex
> is loaded with eye candy. My son and I (when he was a little shaver)
> didn't have too much trouble spending the /whole/ day wandering around.
> One of my all time favorites
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Fine_Arts
>
It knocks the Glasgow palace of art into a cocked hat.

http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image.php?inum=TGSE01309&t=1&urltp=story.php?id=TGSFH08


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     Stephen

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On Sat, 21 May 2011 21:41:14 +0200, Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomailcom>  
wrote:

> On 05/21/2011 04:21 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> Still some modern buildings have their own beauty.
>
> yep ... modern-ish in age I suppose (built in 1915). the whole complex  
> is loaded with eye candy. My son and I (when he was a little shaver)  
> didn't have too much trouble spending the /whole/ day wandering around.  
> One of my all time favorites
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Fine_Arts
>

Beautiful. Now I want to go to the US.

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On 05/21/2011 03:48 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> after some of the comments on my last post i've started sitting with a
> sketch pad when there is a lull in the shop trying to get some different
> ideas with the structure ... it's a shame that the courtyard tiles
> aren't seen better (looks killer from different view) and now the the
> jacobean panel that you've developed ... well hopefully i can come up
> with something that will do it justice. forge ahead and i'll do my best
> to have something as soon as i can, even if i have to put on a big pot
> of coffee and pull and all nighter ... excellent work sam

well ... what do y'all think?

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On Tue, 24 May 2011 00:41:32 +0200, Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomailcom>  
wrote:

> On 05/21/2011 03:48 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> after some of the comments on my last post i've started sitting with a
>> sketch pad when there is a lull in the shop trying to get some different
>> ideas with the structure ... it's a shame that the courtyard tiles
>> aren't seen better (looks killer from different view) and now the the
>> jacobean panel that you've developed ... well hopefully i can come up
>> with something that will do it justice. forge ahead and i'll do my best
>> to have something as soon as i can, even if i have to put on a big pot
>> of coffee and pull and all nighter ... excellent work sam
>
> well ... what do y'all think?
>

I love it!

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On 5/21/2011 1:46 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 21/05/2011 8:58 PM, stbenge wrote:
>> I was going from what I could find here:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_architecture and also from the few
>> buildings I've seen by Frank Lloyd Wright. There are some interesting
>> ideas spanning many different styles, but by and large, most designs
>> tend toward the utilitarian (form follows function) and simplistic.But
>> I won't deny that there /are/ some buildings that manage to be useful
>> /and/ look good.
>
> Well you are not alone in your views. I could say that you are in the
> company of Prince Charles but I'm not that cruel. ;-)
> This is a difficult subject to be objective about.
> I saw many examples of attractive buildings in the link you posted. But
> then I was brought up in Glasgow, a very industrial city in my youth.

Some of those buildings were just horrible, others were better. My 
dislike of modern architecture is probably not going to stop me from 
rendering such things in the future, though. I might have already...

> I
> see beauty in lots of industrial settings. I even found the Oil Rigs I
> worked on had a strange beauty.

Yeah. There's this old cement plant nearby, totally industrial. Ugly 
stuff, though strangely captivating. A blast to explore simply for its 
nightmarish aspect (and the dizzying heights).

> I wonder, do you like the music of Bach?

Somewhat.

>> As a person who loves detailed art and stylized geometry, I find most
>> modern architecture boring and just a little soul-destroying.
>
> I do think that most modern housing is an eyesore.

Especially when the same design is copied over and over, in a big row :(

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Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> On 05/21/2011 03:48 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> > after some of the comments on my last post i've started sitting with a
> > sketch pad when there is a lull in the shop trying to get some different
> > ideas with the structure ... it's a shame that the courtyard tiles
> > aren't seen better (looks killer from different view) and now the the
> > jacobean panel that you've developed ... well hopefully i can come up
> > with something that will do it justice. forge ahead and i'll do my best
> > to have something as soon as i can, even if i have to put on a big pot
> > of coffee and pull and all nighter ... excellent work sam
>
> well ... what do y'all think?

Excellent viewpoint, Jim! Very moody.

Attached is an example of the ceiling tiles macro (with added lights). The
design was created in Illustrator and beveled with POV. There's probably a good
scene here somewhere...

~Sam

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On 24/05/2011 7:47 PM, Samuel Benge wrote:
> Attached is an example of the ceiling tiles macro (with added lights). The
> design was created in Illustrator and beveled with POV. There's probably a good
> scene here somewhere...

Yes!


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On Tue, 24 May 2011 20:39:38 +0200, stbenge <"egnebts  
<-inverted"@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/21/2011 1:46 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 21/05/2011 8:58 PM, stbenge wrote:
>>> I was going from what I could find here:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_architecture and also from the few
>>> buildings I've seen by Frank Lloyd Wright. There are some interesting
>>> ideas spanning many different styles, but by and large, most designs
>>> tend toward the utilitarian (form follows function) and simplistic.But
>>> I won't deny that there /are/ some buildings that manage to be useful
>>> /and/ look good.
>>
>> Well you are not alone in your views. I could say that you are in the
>> company of Prince Charles but I'm not that cruel. ;-)
>> This is a difficult subject to be objective about.
>> I saw many examples of attractive buildings in the link you posted. But
>> then I was brought up in Glasgow, a very industrial city in my youth.
>
> Some of those buildings were just horrible, others were better. My  
> dislike of modern architecture is probably not going to stop me from  
> rendering such things in the future, though. I might have already...
>
>> I
>> see beauty in lots of industrial settings. I even found the Oil Rigs I
>> worked on had a strange beauty.
>
> Yeah. There's this old cement plant nearby, totally industrial. Ugly  
> stuff, though strangely captivating. A blast to explore simply for its  
> nightmarish aspect (and the dizzying heights).
>
>> I wonder, do you like the music of Bach?
>
> Somewhat.
>
>>> As a person who loves detailed art and stylized geometry, I find most
>>> modern architecture boring and just a little soul-destroying.
>>
>> I do think that most modern housing is an eyesore.
>
> Especially when the same design is copied over and over, in a big row :(
>

I've heard that architects are extremely busy, working long hours. I guess  
they don't have time to be creative with all these scyscrapers you need to  
be more mathematical than creative...

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On 5/24/2011 8:50 PM, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2011 20:39:38 +0200, stbenge <"egnebts
> <-inverted"@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well you are not alone in your views. I could say that you are in the
>>> company of Prince Charles but I'm not that cruel. ;-)
>>> This is a difficult subject to be objective about.
>>> I saw many examples of attractive buildings in the link you posted. But
>>> then I was brought up in Glasgow, a very industrial city in my youth.
>>
>> Some of those buildings were just horrible, others were better. My
>> dislike of modern architecture is probably not going to stop me from
>> rendering such things in the future, though. I might have already...
>>
>>> I do think that most modern housing is an eyesore.
>>
>> Especially when the same design is copied over and over, in a big row :(
>
> I've heard that architects are extremely busy, working long hours. I
> guess they don't have time to be creative with all these scyscrapers you
> need to be more mathematical than creative...
>

Lol! Ha... ah, ugh... no. I really for sorry for them :(

I love math, geometry, funny numbers. But set me to work before a large 
monolith, and everything great about it becomes nonsense after awhile. 
It's easy to forget /why/ you started something, when the end of it 
can't be seen, when the reason behind it is dust in contrast against 
what's really important.

I guess that's why I don't finish so many projects...

~Sam

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> Attached is an example of the ceiling tiles macro (with added lights). The
> design was created in Illustrator and beveled with POV. There's probably a good
> scene here somewhere...
>
> ~Sam

A very nice mood!
;-)
Paolo

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On 24/05/2011 7:39 PM, stbenge wrote:
> Some of those buildings were just horrible, others were better. My
> dislike of modern architecture is probably not going to stop me from
> rendering such things in the future, though. I might have already...
>

The low cost ones are an affront to the sensibilities.

>> I
>> see beauty in lots of industrial settings. I even found the Oil Rigs I
>> worked on had a strange beauty.
>
> Yeah. There's this old cement plant nearby, totally industrial. Ugly
> stuff, though strangely captivating. A blast to explore simply for its
> nightmarish aspect (and the dizzying heights).
>

It is even better to be inside these buildings at night with surreal 
lighting.
Before oil rigs piped the gas ashore they flared/burned it off. The 
flickering orange light was magic. Quite hypnotic at night.

>> I wonder, do you like the music of Bach?
>
> Somewhat.
>

His work is quite geometric with themes weaving in and out of each 
other. Some of them very low frequency rhythms.

>>> As a person who loves detailed art and stylized geometry, I find most
>>> modern architecture boring and just a little soul-destroying.
>>
>> I do think that most modern housing is an eyesore.
>
> Especially when the same design is copied over and over, in a big row :(

I feel sorry for the people who have to live in them.

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On 05/18/2011 11:53 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Stephen"<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  schreef in bericht
> news:4dd2931f$1@news.povray.org...
>> How about googling "Jacobean ceiling patterns" for some ideas.
>
> That would be nice indeed.
>
> Thomas
>
>
Finally got around to playing with Sams' ceiling tile macro ... I've had 
yet another change in camera pose as I was having trouble getting a good 
view of the ceiling like it was before. I'm not sure I like the emissive 
logo, but it's there as I wasn't able to tune out the radiosity 
artifacts any other way. I'm still playing around with a few things but 
I think I'm getting close.

Jim

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On 30/05/2011 2:31 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>
> Finally got around to playing with Sams' ceiling tile macro ... I've had
> yet another change in camera pose as I was having trouble getting a good
> view of the ceiling like it was before. I'm not sure I like the emissive
> logo, but it's there as I wasn't able to tune out the radiosity
> artifacts any other way. I'm still playing around with a few things but
> I think I'm getting close.

I like that view it is nice and clean. Although I prefer the multi 
coloured conical logo. (More 3D IMO)

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"Jim Holsenback" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht 
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> I think I'm getting close.

Yes you are. This is very nice indeed. The logo indeed needs finetuning.

Thomas

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Ok, here my idea (very rough at the moment)

It's a robot hand. I'll work on this over the weekend. Next week, I will load up
the scene file to my blog.

Everyone than can work on this then and help to make it better and better.

Best rgds,
Holger

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:07:14 +0200, H. Karsten <h-karsten <"web.de>">  
wrote:

> Ok, here my idea (very rough at the moment)
>
> It's a robot hand. I'll work on this over the weekend. Next week, I will  
> load up
> the scene file to my blog.
>
> Everyone than can work on this then and help to make it better and  
> better.
>
> Best rgds,
> Holger
>
Cool!

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On 05/31/2011 05:05 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Jim Holsenback"<nom### [at] nomailcom>  schreef in bericht
> news:4de39c39@news.povray.org...
>> I think I'm getting close.
>
> Yes you are. This is very nice indeed. The logo indeed needs finetuning.
>
> Thomas
>
>
  I've worked on a few thinks, but this post is about needed a bit of 
radiosity help. These are the settings I'm using:

pretrace_start 1/16
pretrace_end 1/64
count 256
error_bound 0.256
low_error_factor 0.125
nearest_count 12
gray_threshold 0
normal on

... but as you can see it's still a bit patchy. I don't think count is 
the answer and was wondering if what's needed here is in the missing 
ingredient ... min/max reuse ... right now it's default.

Any opinions?

Jim

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Am 06.06.2011 23:20, schrieb Jim Holsenback:

> I've worked on a few thinks, but this post is about needed a bit of
> radiosity help. These are the settings I'm using:
>
> pretrace_start 1/16
> pretrace_end 1/64

I would reduce the pretrace_end...

> count 256

... set count to "256,10000" or some such (not sure whether it will make 
much of a difference though)

> error_bound 0.256
> low_error_factor 0.125

... increase the low_error factor (0.5 seems a sane value)...

> nearest_count 12

... and set nearest_count to "20,10" or something alike, to make use of 
adaptive pretrace.

> gray_threshold 0
> normal on
>
> .... but as you can see it's still a bit patchy. I don't think count is
> the answer and was wondering if what's needed here is in the missing
> ingredient ... min/max reuse ... right now it's default.

Recently an error has been reported in 3.70RC3 causing noticeable 
splotches when using only very few pretrace steps with a high 
pretrace_end setting; maybe that's related to what we're seeing here.

Unless you're using the current developers' version, that is. In that 
case you're already running with a fix for that error.

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On 06/06/2011 07:50 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 23:20, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>
>> I've worked on a few thinks, but this post is about needed a bit of
>> radiosity help. These are the settings I'm using:
>>
>> pretrace_start 1/16
>> pretrace_end 1/64
>
> I would reduce the pretrace_end...
>
>> count 256
>
> ... set count to "256,10000" or some such (not sure whether it will make
> much of a difference though)
>
>> error_bound 0.256
>> low_error_factor 0.125
>
> ... increase the low_error factor (0.5 seems a sane value)...
>
>> nearest_count 12
>
> ... and set nearest_count to "20,10" or something alike, to make use of
> adaptive pretrace.
>
>> gray_threshold 0
>> normal on
>>
>> .... but as you can see it's still a bit patchy. I don't think count is
>> the answer and was wondering if what's needed here is in the missing
>> ingredient ... min/max reuse ... right now it's default.
>
> Recently an error has been reported in 3.70RC3 causing noticeable
> splotches when using only very few pretrace steps with a high
> pretrace_end setting; maybe that's related to what we're seeing here.
>
> Unless you're using the current developers' version, that is. In that
> case you're already running with a fix for that error.

No I'm running the latest incantation ... initially I'd thought that was 
my problem and when it was 1st reported I pulled the fix you'd posted. 
Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the 
samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to 
shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total. Oh 
and thanks for the nudge, I'd forgotten about the adaptive settings for 
nearest ... had been bouncing between 12 and 20 so (lol) I guess 20,12 
it is then.

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So here my suggestion for a new logo.

In 3 or 4 days you can download the scenefile from
http://lightspeed.byethost24.com/

Enyone feel free to edit this, do some experiments.

Best rgds
Holger

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Am 07.06.2011 01:40, schrieb Jim Holsenback:

> Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the
> samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to
> shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total.

No. The smaller the pretrace_end, the higher the density the pretrace 
can theoretically produce, and the fewer therefore the spots missed 
during pretrace, which need to be sampled in the final pass (i.e. the 
render proper).

(Theoretically we'd want the final pass sample count to be zero, but 
then we also want the render to finish in our lifetime.)

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Am 07.06.2011 01:51, schrieb H. Karsten:
> So here my suggestion for a new logo.

The "w" in the word "power" is a double "v" ligature, isn't it? :-)

Looks cool. Is that SSLT I'm seeing?

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On 06/06/2011 08:59 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 07.06.2011 01:40, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>
>> Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the
>> samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to
>> shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total.
>
> No. The smaller the pretrace_end, the higher the density the pretrace
> can theoretically produce, and the fewer therefore the spots missed
> during pretrace, which need to be sampled in the final pass (i.e. the
> render proper).
>
> (Theoretically we'd want the final pass sample count to be zero, but
> then we also want the render to finish in our lifetime.)

in addition to earlier changes I had to increase count to 384 ... it's 
not too darn bad, so I think it's worth the cycles to go to 512 for the 
beauty run. btw: I also corrected my (holy crap) spelling error in the sign.

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I know you only asked about radiosity issues ;)

But I must admit I'm not too fond of the sign and the
logo here, they somehow seem to be artificial intruders in
the environment to me. I liked the earlier logo placement
better. Did you try how the scene looks with sun position
that illuminates the central column so a logo would be
visible without emissive media?

Other ideas might be to paint the logo on the floor
or on the inside of the arc to the right, maybe engrave
text on a floor slab, put up a stone sculpture, or a
mysterious pov-shaped cloud feature in the distance.

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On 06/07/2011 03:50 PM, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> I know you only asked about radiosity issues ;)

hey ... no that's all good. I was wondering if/when I'd get some 
comments about the logo/sign

>
> But I must admit I'm not too fond of the sign and the
> logo here, they somehow seem to be artificial intruders in
> the environment to me. I liked the earlier logo placement
> better. Did you try how the scene looks with sun position
> that illuminates the central column so a logo would be
> visible without emissive media?
>
> Other ideas might be to paint the logo on the floor
> or on the inside of the arc to the right, maybe engrave
> text on a floor slab, put up a stone sculpture, or a
> mysterious pov-shaped cloud feature in the distance.
>

hmmm .. the engrave idea has sparked a notion so I'll try a few things, 
as I was also a bit uneasy about the current presentation ... thanks

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Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> On 06/06/2011 08:59 PM, clipka wrote:
> > Am 07.06.2011 01:40, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
> >
> >> Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the
> >> samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to
> >> shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total.
> >
> > No. The smaller the pretrace_end, the higher the density the pretrace
> > can theoretically produce, and the fewer therefore the spots missed
> > during pretrace, which need to be sampled in the final pass (i.e. the
> > render proper).
> >
> > (Theoretically we'd want the final pass sample count to be zero, but
> > then we also want the render to finish in our lifetime.)
>
> in addition to earlier changes I had to increase count to 384 ... it's
> not too darn bad, so I think it's worth the cycles to go to 512 for the
> beauty run. btw: I also corrected my (holy crap) spelling error in the sign.

Hey Jim,

It's looking good!

Is the water messing with the radiosity? If so--and you don't plan to have
anything reflect in the water--you might be able to use an aoi pattern with a
texture_map, using careful color settings to fake fresnel reflections.

You might also want to try the new version of OTO.inc I dropped in
p.b.scene-files. I improved the size variation of the bricks and trimmed up the
edges.

~Sam

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On 06/07/2011 04:24 PM, Samuel Benge wrote:
> Jim Holsenback<nom### [at] nomailcom>  wrote:
>> On 06/06/2011 08:59 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 07.06.2011 01:40, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>>>
>>>> Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the
>>>> samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to
>>>> shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total.
>>>
>>> No. The smaller the pretrace_end, the higher the density the pretrace
>>> can theoretically produce, and the fewer therefore the spots missed
>>> during pretrace, which need to be sampled in the final pass (i.e. the
>>> render proper).
>>>
>>> (Theoretically we'd want the final pass sample count to be zero, but
>>> then we also want the render to finish in our lifetime.)
>>
>> in addition to earlier changes I had to increase count to 384 ... it's
>> not too darn bad, so I think it's worth the cycles to go to 512 for the
>> beauty run. btw: I also corrected my (holy crap) spelling error in the sign.
>
> Hey Jim,
>
> It's looking good!
>
> Is the water messing with the radiosity? If so--and you don't plan to have
> anything reflect in the water--you might be able to use an aoi pattern with a
> texture_map, using careful color settings to fake fresnel reflections.

I've got radiosity importance set low on the water so I don't think I 
was the source of my radiosity problems ... since the sun is low I was 
wondering how to get it a bit of color, so maybe the aoi pattern/texture 
map idea is worth some investigation.

>
> You might also want to try the new version of OTO.inc I dropped in
> p.b.scene-files. I improved the size variation of the bricks and trimmed up the
> edges.

Cool ... I was playing around with the tile scaling then ran into a seq 
fault (see my post in beta NG) ... so it'll be interesting to see if 
your new take on OTO makes a diff.

Hasta Bye

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On 6/7/2011 12:54 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 06/07/2011 04:24 PM, Samuel Benge wrote:
>> Jim Holsenback<nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>>> On 06/06/2011 08:59 PM, clipka wrote:
>>>> Am 07.06.2011 01:40, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>>>>
>>>>> Question about pretrace_end ... won't a smaller value make more of the
>>>>> samples to be gathered in the final pass? I thought it was better to
>>>>> shoot for having the final pass sample count about half the total.
>>>>
>>>> No. The smaller the pretrace_end, the higher the density the pretrace
>>>> can theoretically produce, and the fewer therefore the spots missed
>>>> during pretrace, which need to be sampled in the final pass (i.e. the
>>>> render proper).
>>>>
>>>> (Theoretically we'd want the final pass sample count to be zero, but
>>>> then we also want the render to finish in our lifetime.)
>>>
>>> in addition to earlier changes I had to increase count to 384 ... it's
>>> not too darn bad, so I think it's worth the cycles to go to 512 for the
>>> beauty run. btw: I also corrected my (holy crap) spelling error in
>>> the sign.
>>
>> Hey Jim,
>>
>> It's looking good!
>>
>> Is the water messing with the radiosity? If so--and you don't plan to
>> have
>> anything reflect in the water--you might be able to use an aoi pattern
>> with a
>> texture_map, using careful color settings to fake fresnel reflections.
>
> I've got radiosity importance set low on the water so I don't think I
> was the source of my radiosity problems ... since the sun is low I was
> wondering how to get it a bit of color, so maybe the aoi pattern/texture
> map idea is worth some investigation.
>
>>
>> You might also want to try the new version of OTO.inc I dropped in
>> p.b.scene-files. I improved the size variation of the bricks and
>> trimmed up the
>> edges.
>
> Cool ... I was playing around with the tile scaling then ran into a seq
> fault (see my post in beta NG) ... so it'll be interesting to see if
> your new take on OTO makes a diff.

It probably won't, and it's not my fault <g> Maybe if you use 
superellipsoids instead of rounded boxes, the memory requirement of the 
macro will be lower (just a guess).

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> The "w" in the word "power" is a double "v" ligature, isn't it? :-)

I'm astounded how many people noticing this very little thing :)

> Looks cool. Is that SSLT I'm seeing?

Jep - and it's SLOW!!!

Scene-files now online now!
Have fun :)

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On 06/07/2011 10:13 PM, stbenge wrote:
> It probably won't, and it's not my fault <g> Maybe if you use
> superellipsoids instead of rounded boxes, the memory requirement of the
> macro will be lower (just a guess).

Yep ... no difference. The number of parsed tokens sky-rockets when 
scaling is less than 0.75 (OTO). I ended up using twice that in this 
version.

I /really/ like the reflected view but I'm not so sure about the pose. 
The backside illumination on the shrubs turned out cool with the light 
at this angle, I also put some specular and a normal on the floor.

Before I decide if I want to develop this approach and further I figured 
I'd post to see what kind of reaction I get ;-)

Jim

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On 4/10/2011 8:38 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> See p.general : a challenge of sorts
>
> Recreating the image (provided scene is free of rights, update&  change
> as you wants)
>
> There is room for improvements.
>
> comment the arealight's line for a very quicker render (but stronger
> shadows)

The scene looks dated, IMO. Maybe we could come up with something new?

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On 6/28/2011 11:50 AM, posfan12 wrote:
> On 4/10/2011 8:38 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>> See p.general : a challenge of sorts
>>
>> Recreating the image (provided scene is free of rights, update& change
>> as you wants)
>>
>> There is room for improvements.
>>
>> comment the arealight's line for a very quicker render (but stronger
>> shadows)
>
> The scene looks dated, IMO. Maybe we could come up with something new?
>

Oops, mail reader didn't catch up with the entire thread before I posted.

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Am 28.06.2011 16:33, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
> Before I decide if I want to develop this approach and further I figured
> I'd post to see what kind of reaction I get ;-)

Freakin' cool mood!

What's that bright thing in the lower right though? You didn't use 
diffuse on the reflecting plate, did you? That would be far from 
realistic for a polished surface.

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On 06/29/2011 11:42 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 28.06.2011 16:33, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>> Before I decide if I want to develop this approach and further I figured
>> I'd post to see what kind of reaction I get ;-)
>
> Freakin' cool mood!
>
> What's that bright thing in the lower right though? You didn't use
> diffuse on the reflecting plate, did you? That would be far from
> realistic for a polished surface.

the bright spot in lwr right is the light source reaching that far into 
the room, since it intercepts the reflecting plate just a little I might 
be able to transform the light source just a bit ... the texture on the 
slab is one of the copper definitions from metals.inc with a little 
emission in place of the ambient term

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Am 30.06.2011 11:12, schrieb Jim Holsenback:

> the bright spot in lwr right is the light source reaching that far into
> the room, since it intercepts the reflecting plate just a little I might
> be able to transform the light source just a bit ... the texture on the
> slab is one of the copper definitions from metals.inc with a little
> emission in place of the ambient term

Emission? Don't!

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Le 2011/06/30 05:12, Jim Holsenback a écrit :
> On 06/29/2011 11:42 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 28.06.2011 16:33, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>>> Before I decide if I want to develop this approach and further I figured
>>> I'd post to see what kind of reaction I get ;-)
>>
>> Freakin' cool mood!
>>
>> What's that bright thing in the lower right though? You didn't use
>> diffuse on the reflecting plate, did you? That would be far from
>> realistic for a polished surface.
>
> the bright spot in lwr right is the light source reaching that far into
> the room, since it intercepts the reflecting plate just a little I might
> be able to transform the light source just a bit ... the texture on the
> slab is one of the copper definitions from metals.inc with a little
> emission in place of the ambient term

Emission for a metallic texture? Yuch!
The ambient terms in those texture are hugly and dirty kludges to make 
them look acceptable when there is no environment.

Metals, unless hot enough, never emit any light, they reflect it.

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On 06/30/2011 06:07 PM, Alain wrote:
> Le 2011/06/30 05:12, Jim Holsenback a écrit :
>> On 06/29/2011 11:42 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 28.06.2011 16:33, schrieb Jim Holsenback:
>>>> Before I decide if I want to develop this approach and further I
>>>> figured
>>>> I'd post to see what kind of reaction I get ;-)
>>>
>>> Freakin' cool mood!
>>>
>>> What's that bright thing in the lower right though? You didn't use
>>> diffuse on the reflecting plate, did you? That would be far from
>>> realistic for a polished surface.
>>
>> the bright spot in lwr right is the light source reaching that far into
>> the room, since it intercepts the reflecting plate just a little I might
>> be able to transform the light source just a bit ... the texture on the
>> slab is one of the copper definitions from metals.inc with a little
>> emission in place of the ambient term
>
> Emission for a metallic texture? Yuch!
> The ambient terms in those texture are hugly and dirty kludges to make
> them look acceptable when there is no environment.
>
> Metals, unless hot enough, never emit any light, they reflect it.

LOL ... ok you guys, I get the message ;-) I must've been thinking of 
something else, I checked and I have both ambient/emission set to zero 
... although setting the ambient term is moot because radiosity 
effectively sets it to zero.

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Am 30.06.2011 23:12, schrieb Jim Holsenback:

>> Metals, unless hot enough, never emit any light, they reflect it.
>
> LOL ... ok you guys, I get the message ;-) I must've been thinking of
> something else, I checked and I have both ambient/emission set to zero
> .... although setting the ambient term is moot because radiosity
> effectively sets it to zero.

Good boy ;-)

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On 06/28/2011 12:50 PM, posfan12 wrote:
> On 4/10/2011 8:38 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>> See p.general : a challenge of sorts
>>
>> Recreating the image (provided scene is free of rights, update& change
>> as you wants)
>>
>> There is room for improvements.
>>
>> comment the arealight's line for a very quicker render (but stronger
>> shadows)
>
> The scene looks dated, IMO. Maybe we could come up with something new?
>
How's this for a different approach ... I actually like this! It's just 
an intersection slice of the distribution logo repeated using an 
adaptation of the helix solution that Le_Forgeron posted a while ago.The 
text and "helix-logo" object are textured together so the text gets it's 
pigment from the depth position. The background uses Sam's OTO (Odd 
Tiles Object) macro. Comments appreciated.

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>Jim Holsenback  on date 10/07/2011 16:43 wrote:
> How's this for a different approach ... I actually like this! It's just
> an intersection slice of the distribution logo repeated using an
> adaptation of the helix solution that Le_Forgeron posted a while ago.The
> text and "helix-logo" object are textured together so the text gets it's
> pigment from the depth position. The background uses Sam's OTO (Odd
> Tiles Object) macro. Comments appreciated.

I like both helix and colors, but the word "(P)ersistence" is difficult 
to read. Perhaps in another color wuold be better.
;-)
Paolo

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On 07/11/2011 05:13 AM, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
>  >Jim Holsenback on date 10/07/2011 16:43 wrote:
>> How's this for a different approach ... I actually like this! It's just
>> an intersection slice of the distribution logo repeated using an
>> adaptation of the helix solution that Le_Forgeron posted a while ago.The
>> text and "helix-logo" object are textured together so the text gets it's
>> pigment from the depth position. The background uses Sam's OTO (Odd
>> Tiles Object) macro. Comments appreciated.
>
> I like both helix and colors, but the word "(P)ersistence" is difficult
> to read. Perhaps in another color wuold be better.
> ;-)
> Paolo
  well how about that! in the non area light version those letters cast 
a shadow on the object that helped with that ... i rendered the area 
light version without the preview and didn't notice that it (the area 
light) obliterated the shadow. guess my size parameters could use a 
tweak or two

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Btw, maybe you could start a new thread for this new approach.

It's getting a bit inconvenient to navigate this one - at least
if, like me, you have set up the reader to display all messages
in a thread if it contains an unread post ;)

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Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> Btw, maybe you could start a new thread for this new approach.
>
> It's getting a bit inconvenient to navigate this one - at least
> if, like me, you have set up the reader to display all messages
> in a thread if it contains an unread post ;)

I've already changed  my settings under Personalise->Message-Order to "Newest to
oldest"

No Navigation any more ;)

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On 13-7-2011 22:06, H. Karsten wrote:
> Christian Froeschlin<chr### [at] chrfrde>  wrote:
>> Btw, maybe you could start a new thread for this new approach.
>>
>> It's getting a bit inconvenient to navigate this one - at least
>> if, like me, you have set up the reader to display all messages
>> in a thread if it contains an unread post ;)
>
> I've already changed  my settings under Personalise->Message-Order to "Newest to
> oldest"
>
> No Navigation any more ;)
>
>
I wonder how to do this on Thunderbird...

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 13-7-2011 22:06, H. Karsten wrote:
>> Christian Froeschlin<chr### [at] chrfrde>  wrote:
>>> Btw, maybe you could start a new thread for this new approach.
>>>
>>> It's getting a bit inconvenient to navigate this one - at least
>>> if, like me, you have set up the reader to display all messages
>>> in a thread if it contains an unread post ;)
>>
>> I've already changed  my settings under Personalise->Message-Order to
>> "Newest to
>> oldest"
>>
>> No Navigation any more ;)
>>
>>
> I wonder how to do this on Thunderbird...
> 
	View -> Sort by -> Ascending / Descending...

	Note that the “N” shortcut jumps to the next unread mess
age.

		Jerome
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On 14-7-2011 14:38, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 13-7-2011 22:06, H. Karsten wrote:
>>> Christian Froeschlin<chr### [at] chrfrde>   wrote:
>>>> Btw, maybe you could start a new thread for this new approach.
>>>>
>>>> It's getting a bit inconvenient to navigate this one - at least
>>>> if, like me, you have set up the reader to display all messages
>>>> in a thread if it contains an unread post ;)
>>>
>>> I've already changed  my settings under Personalise->Message-Order to
>>> "Newest to
>>> oldest"
>>>
>>> No Navigation any more ;)
>>>
>>>
>> I wonder how to do this on Thunderbird...
>>
> 	View ->  Sort by ->  Ascending / Descending...
>
> 	Note that the “N” shortcut jumps to the next unread message.
>
> 		Jerome

Oops! Of course! Overlooked that... Thanks for showing me.

Thomas

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On 7/14/2011 1:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I wonder how to do this on Thunderbird...

Same as in virtually every Windows program. Click on the heading of the 
column until the arrow points the way you want the sort to run. In later 
versions of thunderbird, you have to turn off the threading, or it'll just 
sort the entire thread.

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    driving without turn signals."

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The settings, I spoke of coming with the PovRay-Forum-Interface.

There appear in your browser, under your profile-settings ("Personalise" in the
yellow area above)

Best rgds,
Holger

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On 14-7-2011 21:40, H. Karsten wrote:
> The settings, I spoke of coming with the PovRay-Forum-Interface.
>
> There appear in your browser, under your profile-settings ("Personalise" in the
> yellow area above)
>
> Best rgds,
> Holger
>
>
>

Thank you all guys (Holger, Daren, Jerôme). I sometimes have the 
greatest difficulties to find the most obvious things...

Thomas

[Now, where are my spectacles again....?]

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